Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
patronyme
English translation:
paternal surname
Added to glossary by
Leveleki
Apr 5, 2004 14:24
20 yrs ago
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French term
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Native in: English (Variants: South African, UK, British)
Works in: French to English, Catalan to English, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
patronyme
French to English
Social Sciences
Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
- "Ilay" en malgache est un article qui signifie : ce, celui, le, la. C'est aussi le surnom de mon père, puisqu'il est une composante de son patronyme. "Trano lay" signifie : la tente ; "sambo lay" signifie : la voile du bateau.
The dictionary translates with "patronymic", but the French seems to be much more frequent. Is there a more understandable way of explaining it in English?
The dictionary translates with "patronymic", but the French seems to be much more frequent. Is there a more understandable way of explaining it in English?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 5 +2 | surname / paternal family name / paternal surname |
Leveleki
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| 5 | patronyme |
Valentini Mellas
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| 5 -1 | the father's surname |
Hacene
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| 5 -1 | family name |
peekay
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| 5 -1 | patronym |
aqanai
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| 5 -1 | patronymic surname |
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
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| 5 -1 | patronym |
aqanai
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| 3 -1 | Family name (from his father) |
Channel
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Proposed translations
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surname / paternal family name / paternal surname
You obviously know exactly what "patronmic" means, so all that I can do is suggest the three alternatives above, although, if it were I, I would be very tempted to translate it by means of the English "patronymic", as this is well-used and known in English. Entirely up to you!
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Note added at 1 hr 39 mins (2004-04-05 16:04:14 GMT)
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I understand that we are talking of \"patronyme\" and NOT \"surnom\", which is a \"Nickname\".
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Note added at 1 hr 39 mins (2004-04-05 16:04:14 GMT)
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I understand that we are talking of \"patronyme\" and NOT \"surnom\", which is a \"Nickname\".
Peer comment(s):
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Tom Bishop
: Agree, just stick with "patronymic". It is not necessarily a surname or family name. It may very well be derived from the first name and used in addition to the surname or family name.
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| agree |
Vicky Papaprodromou
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1 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I've gone with your answer, although I still don't think it is a word used very much in English."
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the father's surname
the simplest
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Note added at 6 mins (2004-04-05 14:30:55 GMT)
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http://www.gov.ph/forum/thread.asp?rootID=17998&catID=23
http://www.genoclub.com/billboard/messages/29/159.html?10798...
http://estrada.bz/origin.htm
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Note added at 6 mins (2004-04-05 14:30:55 GMT)
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http://www.gov.ph/forum/thread.asp?rootID=17998&catID=23
http://www.genoclub.com/billboard/messages/29/159.html?10798...
http://estrada.bz/origin.htm
Peer comment(s):
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Tom Bishop
: Sorry Hacène, but very often it is not derived from the surname
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OK. ;-)
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Family name (from his father)
I guess you will have already used "surname" to translate the beginning of the sentence.
Peer comment(s):
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nothing
: Family name is good, but not necessarily as surname as we understand it. It says that Ilay is his father's nickname. Nicknames are often inherited and applied to a whole family (especially in villages) even today, when people has surnames
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| disagree |
Tom Bishop
: Not necessarily a family name.
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10 mins
family name
check the link below
14 mins
Valentini Mellas
Greece
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patronyme
patronymicum, fr. neut. of patronymicus of a patronymic, fr. Gk patronymikos, fr. patronymia patronymic, fr. patr- + onyma name — more at name : a name derived from that of the father or a paternal ancestor usu. by the addition of an affix
patronyme = patr <pater + onyme = onoma.
In Greece the patronymo signifies the family name. In villages when you say "I am Nicos" They will ask you for your last name and the patronymo, the family you come from. So you might say "I am nicos, from the Gotiko family" etc.
HTH
patronyme = patr <pater + onyme = onoma.
In Greece the patronymo signifies the family name. In villages when you say "I am Nicos" They will ask you for your last name and the patronymo, the family you come from. So you might say "I am nicos, from the Gotiko family" etc.
HTH
Peer comment(s):
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Vicky Papaprodromou
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Thanks
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Tom Bishop
: "patronyme" is not English
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Really? .. I would never have imagined .. As i note it is a greek word. Please read again my notes. Thanks...afterall I am a native Greek speaker.. I should know .. no ? :)
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patronym
Une patronyme (patronym en Anglais) est le prénom de son père avec le mot ou particle qui veut dire «fils de». Par example, je m’appelle Avraham Ben-Rahamiël Qanaï. Ben-Rahamiël est mon patronyme car je suis le fils de Rahamiël. En hébreu les patronymes commencent avec Ben, arabe les patronymes commencent ave Ibn ou Bin ou Ben, en berbere ils commence avec Ait, en russe les patronymes se terminent avec -ovitch, en allemand ils se terminent avec -sohn, en armenien ils se terminent aven -ian.
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Tom Bishop
: "patronym" is not English. In English, "patronymic" is both the adjective and the noun.
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patronymic surname
because surnames are not necessarily patronymic...they can be matronymic too...
... reserved. Patronymic Surnames. This is a complete list of patronymic surnames from Isabel's account books (late 15th c. Spain). When ...
www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/ isabella/patronymic.html - 3k - Cached - Similar pages
Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century: Surnames... The complete list of locative surnames. About 10% of men and 19% of women used simple patronymic surnames. ... The complete list of patronymic surnames. ...
www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/isabella/surnames.html - 5k - Cached - Similar pages
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Kvensk Non-Patronymic Surnames... Many Kvensk surnames were used for many generations or were farm names taken from the farm they lived on in Sweden or Finland, therefore it is possible that ...
home.powertech.no/arnelu/nonpatron.htm - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
welsh surnamesThe old Welsh patronymic surname system. ... A limited stock of forenames led to a limited stock of surnames; the main patronymic surnames are listed below. ...
www.amlwchdata.co.uk/welsh_surnames.htm - 11k - Cached - Similar pages
... reserved. Patronymic Surnames. This is a complete list of patronymic surnames from Isabel's account books (late 15th c. Spain). When ...
www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/ isabella/patronymic.html - 3k - Cached - Similar pages
Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century: Surnames... The complete list of locative surnames. About 10% of men and 19% of women used simple patronymic surnames. ... The complete list of patronymic surnames. ...
www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/isabella/surnames.html - 5k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.s-gabriel.org ]
Kvensk Non-Patronymic Surnames... Many Kvensk surnames were used for many generations or were farm names taken from the farm they lived on in Sweden or Finland, therefore it is possible that ...
home.powertech.no/arnelu/nonpatron.htm - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
welsh surnamesThe old Welsh patronymic surname system. ... A limited stock of forenames led to a limited stock of surnames; the main patronymic surnames are listed below. ...
www.amlwchdata.co.uk/welsh_surnames.htm - 11k - Cached - Similar pages
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patronym
Surnom veut dire cognomen ou nickname en amglais. Par example Charles «le grand», Michel «le beau», Marcel «Le blanc», Jean «sans terre», etc. Mais patronyme (patronym ou patronymic en amglais) veut dire «fils de [nom son père]». Je suis Avraham Ben-Rahamiël Qanaï l’éborgné, ça veut dire Avraham (fils de Rahamiël) Qanaï l’éborgné, mon prénom est Avraham, mon patronyme est Ben-Rahamiël, mon non de famille est Qanaï, et je suis surnommé «l’éborgné» à cause de mon oeuil. Mon patronyme n’est pas le surnom de mon père. Mon père est Rahamiël Ben-Yosef Bölekçan, surnommé l’errant à cause de ses déménagements souvents.
Peer comment(s):
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Tom Bishop
: "patronym" is not English. In English, "patronymic" is both the adjective and the noun.
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Wrong. Both are correct. Patronym is definitely English and is a synonym for patronymic as a noun. Check the O.E.D.
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