English term
France
to constitute
Je ne vois pas trop de le sens de "constitute" ici... avez-vous une idée? merci
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Mar 3, 2019 09:39: mchd changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"
Non-PRO (3): Germaine, GILLES MEUNIER, mchd
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Proposed translations
constituer / établir
Needs to be read as: "... or to constitute ... any such securities or obligations..."
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Ph_B (X)
: C'est aussi ce que je comprends : constituer de telles garanties/sûretés par contrat de fiducie de common law
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Merci, Ph_B !
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El Mehdi Hakkou
: constituer
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Merci, Latifa !
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Eliza Hall
: Yes. Constituer, que ce soit par acte de fiducie ou autre translation (https://www.notrefamille.com/dictionnaire/definition/transla...
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Native in: French (Variant: Standard-France) 
Works in: English to French, Tagalog to French, Latin to French, and 3 more.
décider
L’expérience et l’apprentissage des langues (dont le latin) m’ont mis sur une piste : si un mot anglais est un faux-ami, se rapprocher de son origine étymologique.
En l’occurence, constituere signifie en latin décider. Je n’ai pas le texte sous les yeux à l’instant, mais décider de l’achat ou de la création d’obligations aurait du sens. Cela reste à vérifier avec le reste du texte. D’où mon degré de certitude « moyen ».
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Tony M
: Faux-ami in certain cases; but in this case, the meaning is closest to the etymology: 'stituer' from 'stare' = to stand, 'con' from 'cum' = with: 'to set something up', which is the sense here in EN, see refs. below. This is not 'statuer'
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Eliza Hall
: Décider doesn't make sense here. You can't "decide... any such securities."
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Reference comments
fwiw/hth
constitute [ˈkɒnstɪtju:t]
transitive verb conjugaison
1. [represent] conjugaison constituer
what constitutes a state of emergency? qu'est-ce que c'est qu'un état d'urgence?
they constitute a threat to the government ils représentent une menace pour le gouvernement
2. [make up] conjugaison constituer
3. [set up - committee] conjugaison constituer
4. [appoint - chairman] conjugaison désigner
Robert-Collins:
constitute Afficher les conjugaisons ou les féminins et les pluriels. Écouter la prononciation. /'kɒnstɪtjuːt/ transitive verb
a (= appoint)
[+ government, assembly]constituer
[+ people]désigner
■ to be constituted : être constitué
■ to constitute somebody leader of the group : désigner quelqu'un (comme) chef du groupe
b (= establish)
[+ organization]monter • établir
[+ committee]constituer
c (= amount to, make up)faire • constituer
■ these parts constitute a whole : toutes ces parties font or constituent un tout
■ that constitutes a lie : cela constitue un mensonge
■ it constitutes a threat to our sales : ceci représente une menace pour nos ventes
■ so constituted that… : fait de telle façon que… ; ainsi fait que…
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Yvonne Gallagher
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Lawyer-Translator-Certified Interpreter
Native in: English (Variants: US, Scottish, Canadian, Irish, British, UK)
Works in: French to English, English to French
Definition of a trust deed
The text at issue may simply mean to be (an X constitutes a Y = an X is, counts as, or is legally considered to be a Y).
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Tony M
: Only up to a point: here it is being used transitively in a different way: the subject is not 'X', but the subject of this whole text; so they cannot per se 'constitue' anything in that meaning; though 'use something as' is close to the sense here.
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I don't think that the subject is "this whole text." See discussion entry.
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Discussion
Acheter, racheter ou régler, et [parallèlement] [concomitamment] [en concomitance] ou [par la suite] [ultérieurement] garantir ou [créer] [constituer] par acte de fiducie-sûreté ou autre acte translatif toutes telles sûretés ou obligations de la Société.
But here, 'constitute' has the sense of 'put in place / set up / put together / establish' "...any such securities or obligations of the Company"
Your closing point only serves to corroborate what I am saying:
"The adverbial phrase "by a trust deed or other assurance" clarifies what "constitute" means in this text (putting it another way, you could say that the verb isn't "constitute" in general but "constitute by a trust deed or other assurance")."
— the very fact that it can be qualified with this adverbial phrase in this way means it couldn't have the sense of 'represents' etc.
VERBS:
1. To purchase
2. To redeem, or
3. To pay off, or
4. To secure or
5. To constitute (by a trust deed or other assurance)
OBJECT:
6. Any such securities or obligations.
So with respect to "constitute," the phrase is, "to constitute any such securities or obligations of the Company." The adverbial phrase "by a trust deed or other assurance" clarifies what "constitute" means in this text (putting it another way, you could say that the verb isn't "constitute" in general but "constitute by a trust deed or other assurance").