Jun 4, 2017 19:52
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Italian term
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estraneo
Italian to English
Law/Patents
Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs
Come posso tradurre 'estraneo' in un modulo di dichiarazione di successione? ci si riferisce a erede non consanguineo
Proposed translations
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| 3 | non-familial |
mrrafe
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| 4 | non-blood-relative |
Erzsébet Czopyk
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| 2 | non-consanguineous heir |
Ellen Kraus
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Proposed translations
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non-familial
I assume the subject is personal property or a business enterprise. Family members would be in the hereditary line of succession, and estraneo is the opposite.
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I'd give the other answerers credit for finding a lot of variations among eras and civilizations erwev, e.g. Old Testament, UK/Wales, and modern Japanese. However, it's hard to say what's determinative in Asker's situation, especially since her original used estraneo instead of nonconsanguineo for reasons that might be significant. Non-familial is less precise but more inclusive and thus safer, I think, than nonconsanguineous.
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I'd give the other answerers credit for finding a lot of variations among eras and civilizations erwev, e.g. Old Testament, UK/Wales, and modern Japanese. However, it's hard to say what's determinative in Asker's situation, especially since her original used estraneo instead of nonconsanguineo for reasons that might be significant. Non-familial is less precise but more inclusive and thus safer, I think, than nonconsanguineous.
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Reference:
http://www.cmc-partners.co.uk/blog/2016/10/16/family-affair-ensuring-successful-succession/
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Erzsébet Czopyk
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non-blood-relative
'non-blood-relative'
'non-blood-relative' tag wiki - Genealogy & Family History Stack ...
genealogy.stackexchange.com/tags/non-blood-relative/info
Describes a family member with whom the reference person does NOT have a "blood relationship" such as direct or shared descent.
The opposite on ProZ.com:
parenti ... in qualunque grado > lineal relatives of any degree - ProZ.com
www.proz.com › KudoZ home › Italian to English › Law (general)
- Lineal Relatives: In the direct consanguineal line, e.g. father, mother, ... 4 +1, (lineal/linear/direct) ascendants and
Clarification:
descendants of any degree ... Ascendents or heirs are not the same: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ascendents ... Usually direct descendants have first preference in the order of succession, ...
Lineal Relatives: In the direct consanguineal line, e.g. father, mother, son, son's son
https://philippinecivillaw.wordpress.com/tag/legal-or-intest...
Art. 984. In case of the death of an adopted child, leaving no children or descendants, his parents and relatives by consanguinity and not by adoption, shall be his legal heirs. (n)
http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/Toc115570146.html
Intestacy in England and Wales
The rules are based partly on 'Degrees of Consanguinity' and partly on a system of precedence. This means that some relatives of the deceased with the same consanguinity, e.g. parents and children, do not inherit equally. The degree of consanguinity between the deceased and his intestate heirs is calculated as follows:
In the direct line, where blood relatives are descended directly from one another, each generation counts one degree. Thus, a father and son are related to one another in the first degree, a grandfather and grandson in the second degree and so on.
With collateral relatives, who are not descended from one another but from a common ancestor, the degrees of consanguinity are calculated by counting from one collateral up to the nearest common ancestor and then down to the other collateral. Each generation is again counted as a degree. Thus, the total degrees of consanguinity is the number of generations between each person and the nearest common ancestor added together. Two brothers are related in the second degree, an uncle and nephew in the third degree and so on.
'non-blood-relative' tag wiki - Genealogy & Family History Stack ...
genealogy.stackexchange.com/tags/non-blood-relative/info
Describes a family member with whom the reference person does NOT have a "blood relationship" such as direct or shared descent.
The opposite on ProZ.com:
parenti ... in qualunque grado > lineal relatives of any degree - ProZ.com
www.proz.com › KudoZ home › Italian to English › Law (general)
- Lineal Relatives: In the direct consanguineal line, e.g. father, mother, ... 4 +1, (lineal/linear/direct) ascendants and
Clarification:
descendants of any degree ... Ascendents or heirs are not the same: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ascendents ... Usually direct descendants have first preference in the order of succession, ...
Lineal Relatives: In the direct consanguineal line, e.g. father, mother, son, son's son
https://philippinecivillaw.wordpress.com/tag/legal-or-intest...
Art. 984. In case of the death of an adopted child, leaving no children or descendants, his parents and relatives by consanguinity and not by adoption, shall be his legal heirs. (n)
http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/Toc115570146.html
Intestacy in England and Wales
The rules are based partly on 'Degrees of Consanguinity' and partly on a system of precedence. This means that some relatives of the deceased with the same consanguinity, e.g. parents and children, do not inherit equally. The degree of consanguinity between the deceased and his intestate heirs is calculated as follows:
In the direct line, where blood relatives are descended directly from one another, each generation counts one degree. Thus, a father and son are related to one another in the first degree, a grandfather and grandson in the second degree and so on.
With collateral relatives, who are not descended from one another but from a common ancestor, the degrees of consanguinity are calculated by counting from one collateral up to the nearest common ancestor and then down to the other collateral. Each generation is again counted as a degree. Thus, the total degrees of consanguinity is the number of generations between each person and the nearest common ancestor added together. Two brothers are related in the second degree, an uncle and nephew in the third degree and so on.
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Ellen Kraus
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non-consanguineous heir
Jonathan S. Milgram - 2016 - Religion
The context of the narrative, the promotion of potential heirs as a result of the ... and wives, as well as other, non-consanguineous relatives, are appointed heirs.
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BUT I could imagine that EXTRANEOUS HEIR (if not a false friend) is a more adequate Translation
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Note added at 39 Min. (2017-06-04 20:32:22 GMT)
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see respective links re. extraneous heirs and judge for yourself.
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Note added at 12 Stunden (2017-06-05 08:33:16 GMT)
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a more contemporary link (2016) for non-consanguineous heir. From Japan: " Many small businesses have not been created with the intention of continuing ... is not uncommon to secure succession by adopting a non-consanguineous heir
The context of the narrative, the promotion of potential heirs as a result of the ... and wives, as well as other, non-consanguineous relatives, are appointed heirs.
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Note added at 38 Min. (2017-06-04 20:30:57 GMT)
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BUT I could imagine that EXTRANEOUS HEIR (if not a false friend) is a more adequate Translation
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Note added at 39 Min. (2017-06-04 20:32:22 GMT)
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see respective links re. extraneous heirs and judge for yourself.
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Note added at 12 Stunden (2017-06-05 08:33:16 GMT)
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a more contemporary link (2016) for non-consanguineous heir. From Japan: " Many small businesses have not been created with the intention of continuing ... is not uncommon to secure succession by adopting a non-consanguineous heir
Peer comment(s):
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mrrafe
: I don't see your links, but Milgram seems to be talking about biblical law. I don't know whether they handled nonconsanguinity as we do. Am not aware of "extraneous" as an EN term in modern US law. Again, don't know whether this is property, firm, etc
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I had suggested extraneous heir as a likely more viable alternative.
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