Aug 8, 2016 15:22
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Spanish term

Platanero de Indias

Spanish to English Science Agriculture Tree names
SPAIN. Name of a tree, from a survey about gardening companies. I can usually find out plant names via Latin using Google, but it's not coming up with much information this time.


"Pinos, Platanero de Indias y las palmeras".

Discussion

Charles Davis Aug 8, 2016:
Which type of plane? Some references indicate that "plátano de Indias" is a name for the oriental plane:

"Especie: Platanus orientalis (plátano de indias)"
http://www.ayto-torrejon.es/intranet/MiPaginaDescargas/250_P...[1].pdf

However, I think it's more likely to refer to a group of Platanus x hispanica, a hybrid of Platanus occidentalis and Platanus orientalis, which also known as the "plátano de sombra" and is the tree we call the London plane in the UK. The tree they call "plátano de Indias" here, in a doc. entitled "los árboles del cole", looks like a London plane to me:
http://platea.pntic.mec.es/~efuster/ecologia/html/ARBOLES.ht...

I can't open this one, but I quote from the Google result:

D06.3_CONSTRUCTION IMPROVEMENTS SELECTION CRITERIA ...
ec.europa.eu/environment/.../index.cfm?...
Platanus x hispánica. Plátano de indias. - Aesculus hippocastanum. Castaño de indias. - Larix decidua. Alerce. - Metasequoia glyptostroboides. Metasecuoya.
Charles Davis Aug 8, 2016:
A group of plane tree, not a plantain A tricky question. I am fairly convinced that this is NOT a species of Musa (plantains and bananas), the kind of plátano or platanero de Indias José de Acosta wrote about in the 1590s, but a species of Platanus, a plane tree. Not that it's impossible for a Spanish gardening company to be offering plantains, but I don't think "platanero de Indias" is a current name used for any plantain in Spanish horticultural circles, whereas it is definitely a name used for a type of plane tree.

That affects the meaning of "platanero", which is only a synonym for "plátano" (i.e. an individual tree) in the sense of a "planta musácea" (plantain); otherwise it's a synonym of "platanar", i.e. "conjunto de plátanos que crecen en un lugar" (DRAE): a group or grove of plane trees.

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Oriental Plane

Ojo, que no tiene por qué ser un plátano en el sentido de "el único fruto del amor", puede ser tambien cualquier arbol del genero platanus... dejo un par de enlaces para que puedas echar un vistazo.

Me encontré con algo así en una traducción hace relativamente poco, creo que era para turismo de Castellón o para una universidad de Barcelona... Ahora no recuerdo si hablaba de los arboles que se usaron en el "landscaping" urbano de BCN o si era algo sobre plantas de los bosques de alrededor de Benicassim, pero en fin, que me encontré con esto de los plataneros de indias, y realmente son esos arboles que hacen unas bolas con pinchos que si los abres tienen dentro una pelusa que es muy muy molesta si un compañero de clase del colegio se lo mete por la camiseta (en mi colegio teníamos, y era el entretenimiento del recreo en su epoca de fruto).
Note from asker:
Yes! It appeared again in another questionnaire today and it's referred to as a deciduous hardwood.
Charles is right, it's the P. hispánica hybrid.
Peer comment(s):

agree Charles Davis : Close enough for an agree. A platanero here is a group of plátanos (plane trees). The species is could be Platanus orientalis, the oriental plane, but it's probably the hybrid Platanus x hispanica, known as the London plane in the UK.
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agree Clarkalo
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agree James A. Walsh
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "AKA "plátano de sombra" (pax Charles). Thanks to everyone for helping out :)"
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Indies plantain

I think it is just a generic name for a plantain tree grown in the East or West Indies
Note from asker:
I think you may be right...
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Reference comments

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Reference:

PLATANO. Es también cierto árbol que se cría en las Indias...
Se parece a la palma en la figura y en producir las hojas en lo alto... Su fruto es la hechura de un pepino,cubierto de un cáscara u hollejo sutil, dentro del
cual se halla una médula tierna, suave y dulce, que se come cruda, asada,
cocida o guisada... Haylos también de otra especie, aunque son más largos y corvos y no tan delicados al gusto. (Platanus Indica.) "El Plátano de Indias,
por lo que es de tener en algo, en mucho, es por la fruta que la tienen muy buena." A-costa, Lib. 4, Cap.21. Otra cita de Garcilaso, Parto 1, Lib. 8, Cap. 1

https://revistas.upb.edu.co/index.php/upb/article/viewFile/3...
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Reference:

I hope you can open it

https://books.google.es/books?id=F1PdszeyE1YC&pg=PA207&lpg=P...

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Another book, where it's called 'Musa sapientum'.

https://books.google.es/books?id=F51h6q-bB6sC&pg=PA419&lpg=P...

In older classifications, the Latundan cultivar was once the plant referred to as Musa sapientum. It has since been discovered that Musa sapientum is actually a hybrid cultivar of the wild seeded bananas Musa balbisiana and Musa acuminata and not a species.[5]

The Latundan banana is a triploid (AAB) hybrid.[6]

Its full name is Musa acuminata × M. balbisiana (AAB Group) 'Silk'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latundan_banana

The fruits grow in clusters hanging from the top of the plant. Almost all modern edible parthenocarpic (seedless) bananas come from two wild species – Musa acuminata and Musa balbisiana. The scientific names of most cultivated bananas are Musa acuminata, Musa balbisiana, and Musa × paradisiaca for the hybrid Musa acuminata × M. balbisiana, depending on their genomic constitution. The old scientific name Musa sapientum is no longer used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana
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