Mar 23, 2016 14:36
8 yrs ago
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German term
Rueckschliessend
German to English
Art/Literary
Architecture
Wir erkennen Objecte/Situationen, indem wir sie rueckschliessend ueber den Kontext definieren und dabei so viele Ambivalenzen wie moeglich ausschliessen.
I am confused about "Rueckschliessend" here as having both it and "definieren" in the same sentence without an "und" makes it (to me) somewhat unworkable.
The best I can come up with is:
We recognise objects/situations by determining them within the defined context, and eliminating as many ambivalences as possible.
Rueckschliessen is to conclude, but with a D at the end, does the meaning of the word change, to perhaps "retrospectively" or something? I have a feeling I am completely wrong here and this is much easier than I think.
I am confused about "Rueckschliessend" here as having both it and "definieren" in the same sentence without an "und" makes it (to me) somewhat unworkable.
The best I can come up with is:
We recognise objects/situations by determining them within the defined context, and eliminating as many ambivalences as possible.
Rueckschliessen is to conclude, but with a D at the end, does the meaning of the word change, to perhaps "retrospectively" or something? I have a feeling I am completely wrong here and this is much easier than I think.
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +2 | deductively | Paul Cohen |
4 +3 | by inference | Helen Shiner |
3 | deduce afterwards | Machiel van Veen (X) |
2 | in reference to | gangels (X) |
Proposed translations
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22 mins
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deductively
"We recognise objects/situations by deductively defining them based on the context ... "
To deduce: to use logic or reason to form a conclusion or opinion about something
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As Phil has pointed out, an "Objekt" (spelled with a "K") often refers to a building in German architectural texts. Something to keep in mind.
To deduce: to use logic or reason to form a conclusion or opinion about something
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Note added at 25 mins (2016-03-23 15:02:27 GMT)
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As Phil has pointed out, an "Objekt" (spelled with a "K") often refers to a building in German architectural texts. Something to keep in mind.
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: Hi there! This would fit the context, but do you have any references?// You've convinced me.
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Hey there, Phil. No references except for the dictionary def. of Rückschluss: eine logische Folgerung, die man aus etwas ableiten kann und die über etwas anderes Auskunft gibt (Langenscheidt)
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Helen Shiner
: Yes, either of our answers would work./Pure intuition, Paul ;)
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Is that an inference or a deduction, Helen?
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I think you are right here, though I suppose it is impossible to tell for sure :) Thank you for all your help"
35 mins
in reference to
We recognize subjects/objects in that we define them by referring back to context.
But "referring back/back reference" is a bit of double Dutch because "refer to something" already implies the fact's previous existence.
The best may be "by defining them in reference to context"
Of course, the more mundane "by resorting to context" "falling back on...", "harking back to....", or "by reverting back to..." are also possible
But "referring back/back reference" is a bit of double Dutch because "refer to something" already implies the fact's previous existence.
The best may be "by defining them in reference to context"
Of course, the more mundane "by resorting to context" "falling back on...", "harking back to....", or "by reverting back to..." are also possible
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57 mins
by inference
Rückschliessen as means to infer.
http://classroom.synonym.com/difference-between-inference-dr...
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*also means
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I would use 'perceive' or 'discern' here, I think, rather than 'recognise'. We perceive objects by inference ... or in that ... Recognition is too absolute. This is about what we think we recognise or about an approximation that is good enough to allow us to navigate the world.
http://classroom.synonym.com/difference-between-inference-dr...
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*also means
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I would use 'perceive' or 'discern' here, I think, rather than 'recognise'. We perceive objects by inference ... or in that ... Recognition is too absolute. This is about what we think we recognise or about an approximation that is good enough to allow us to navigate the world.
Note from asker:
If it is inference, how would the sentence look like? "we recognise objects/situations by inference... |
Peer comment(s):
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Paul Cohen
: I have to admit that I never really thought much about the difference between inference and deduction until today!
40 mins
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Thanks. It feels a bit like a maths lesson, so my brain is getting very tired.
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Edith Kelly
55 mins
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Thanks, EdithK
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philgoddard
: I think this is too similar to Paul's answer.
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Thanks, Phil, but I don't, as explained in the discussion box.
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tr_dg
5 days
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Thanks, Daniel
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6 hrs
deduce afterwards
But maybe "deductively" from Paul Cohen is better here. I'm not sure.
Discussion
"I see this thing that I could sit on, and it looks like an inviting place to rest my tired bones, therefore, I'll define it as a chair."
Whethere or not we are deducing or inferring from a context is perhaps, ultimately, a philosophical question.
I wonder what the author would say about all of these reflections!?
Pity, nice discussion, but I have an appointment!
After reading Helen's suggestion, I was a bit confused about the difference between the two. I found this explanation (from a blog called "explain like I'm five") particularly helpful:
"A deduction is where you take several statements or facts and say, "You said you went to medical school, work in a hospital, and you saw a person you referred to as a 'patient'. I deduce that you are a doctor." It is an educated guess, that is probably correct.
An inference is less concrete. "You said you were a doctor, from that I infer that you are intelligent, care about people, and work in a hospital."
Think of a deduction as taking a lot of information, and distilling it down to one fact, an inference is the opposite, take one fact, and extrapolate it out into several inferences.
Deduction = Fact X + Fact Y + Fact Z = A
Inference = A (therefore I assume) Fact X, Fact Y, and Fact Z."