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the DSS was created by Dzerzhinsky and some OGPU officials in 1923, embodying the earlier workers' club (OKS) founded in 1887
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Below is an exact copy (with the exception of ***) of the official transcript for a short documentary about the FC Dynamo Moscow.
On 18th April, 1923, Felix Dzerzhinski, a communist revolutionary, created the Dynamo Sports Society, a pioneering venture, being the first official sports centre in the Soviet Union. The name was suggested by Maxim Gorky, writer and politician identified with the Russian revolutionary movement. He turned it into a motto, Dynamo was a recognized example of “Power in motion” ***and was created along with a group of officials and members of the OGPU, workers’ society of the Moscow Dynamo***, under the protection of the Soviet political police.
Numerous clubs emerged from this association.
Does the part in question mean that the Dynamo Sports Society was created _by_ a group of officials and members of the OGPU _and_ workers’ society of the Moscow Dynamo?
Thank you.
Below is an exact copy (with the exception of ***) of the official transcript for a short documentary about the FC Dynamo Moscow.
On 18th April, 1923, Felix Dzerzhinski, a communist revolutionary, created the Dynamo Sports Society, a pioneering venture, being the first official sports centre in the Soviet Union. The name was suggested by Maxim Gorky, writer and politician identified with the Russian revolutionary movement. He turned it into a motto, Dynamo was a recognized example of “Power in motion” ***and was created along with a group of officials and members of the OGPU, workers’ society of the Moscow Dynamo***, under the protection of the Soviet political police.
Numerous clubs emerged from this association.
Does the part in question mean that the Dynamo Sports Society was created _by_ a group of officials and members of the OGPU _and_ workers’ society of the Moscow Dynamo?
Thank you.
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Mar 19, 2016 10:02: Yvonne Gallagher Created KOG entry
Mar 19, 2016 10:04: Yvonne Gallagher changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/1300525">Yvonne Gallagher's</a> old entry - "meaning of part of a sentence"" to ""the DSS was created by Dzerzhinsky and some OGPU officials embodying the earlier workers' society club (OKS) founded in 1887""
Mar 19, 2016 10:07: Yvonne Gallagher changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/1300525">Yvonne Gallagher's</a> old entry - "meaning of part of a sentence"" to ""the DSS was created by Dzerzhinsky and some OGPU officials, embodying the earlier workers' society club (OKS) founded in 1887""
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the sports club was created incorporating the workers' society and... etc.
I think it's fairly clear from link below that the
Dynamo Sports Society
was created in 1923 and incorporated into it
the older club
"Morozovtsi Orekhovo-Zuevo Moskva" which was "founded as a factory team in 1887. The team was renamed OKS Moskva in 1906 and won a series of Moscow league championships from 1910 to 1914.
After the Russian Revolution, the club eventually found itself under the authority of the Interior Ministry and its head Felix Dzerzhinsky, chief of the Soviet Union's
first secret police force, the notorious Cheka.
The club was renamed Dynamo Moscow in 1923 and developed some infamy for its intimidating association with the Interior Ministry, often being referred to as Garbage, a Russian criminal slang term for police, by the supporters of other clubs..."
so yes, it DID include "a group of officials and members of the OGPU" AND "the , workers’ society of the Moscow Dynamo (=OKS Moskva) when it was incorporated
In other word a new club was formed bringing in an older club and (along with) officials from the OGPU. That's the way I read it anyway that it embodied various elements
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_Sports_Club
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so an association of sorts...
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This is the link I meant to give
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Dynamo_Moscow
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an alternative way of expressing this
The "Dynamo Sports Society" was created by Felix Dzerzhinski along with OGPU officials, incorporating/embodying (or maybe Tony is right and it's "based on") the workers’ society club, "OKS Moskva", which had been founded in 1887
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Glad to have helped.
This makes sense when the historical facts/timelines are taken into account
Dynamo Sports Society
was created in 1923 and incorporated into it
the older club
"Morozovtsi Orekhovo-Zuevo Moskva" which was "founded as a factory team in 1887. The team was renamed OKS Moskva in 1906 and won a series of Moscow league championships from 1910 to 1914.
After the Russian Revolution, the club eventually found itself under the authority of the Interior Ministry and its head Felix Dzerzhinsky, chief of the Soviet Union's
first secret police force, the notorious Cheka.
The club was renamed Dynamo Moscow in 1923 and developed some infamy for its intimidating association with the Interior Ministry, often being referred to as Garbage, a Russian criminal slang term for police, by the supporters of other clubs..."
so yes, it DID include "a group of officials and members of the OGPU" AND "the , workers’ society of the Moscow Dynamo (=OKS Moskva) when it was incorporated
In other word a new club was formed bringing in an older club and (along with) officials from the OGPU. That's the way I read it anyway that it embodied various elements
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_Sports_Club
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so an association of sorts...
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This is the link I meant to give
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Dynamo_Moscow
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an alternative way of expressing this
The "Dynamo Sports Society" was created by Felix Dzerzhinski along with OGPU officials, incorporating/embodying (or maybe Tony is right and it's "based on") the workers’ society club, "OKS Moskva", which had been founded in 1887
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Glad to have helped.
This makes sense when the historical facts/timelines are taken into account
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Daryo
: yes, but ... this doesn't change what was said in the ST: some sort of umbrella "secret police workers" association was created in parallel with the Football Club whatever previous Club they decided to present as being "the predecessor"
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You're reading it wrong. The workers' club was created in 1887 & " eventually found itself under the authority of..Felix Dzerzhinsky, ...first secret police force, the notorious Cheka...club renamed Dynamo Moscow in 1923//You're still wrong!
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Thank you, Gallagy."
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Syntactically, the sentence is clunky and unclear.
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Created along - bad lexicogrammar.
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Created along - bad lexicogrammar.
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Tony M
: there's nothing wrong with 'created along with'
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In this context it is confusing.
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B D Finch
: Yes, there is something wrong with 'created along with', i.e. a logical problem in the statement that Moscow Dynamo and "a group of officials and members of the OGPU" were created together.
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Thanks. The sentence definitely needs to be fixed.
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Yvonne Gallagher
: agree with Tony. Sentence could be clearer but "along with" is not the problem
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As used in the sentence, it is slightly confusing, so it has to be slightly fixed. Without all the background info, the logic gets messed up.
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both the sports club and the workers society were created under...
I think I can see what they wre trying to say here, even though they messed it up a bit:
Under the protection of the Soviet political police, Dynamo ... was created, along with a group of officials and members of the OGPU known as the "Workers’ society of the Moscow Dynamo".
Does that help you understand it better?
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I don't actually see that as being contradictory: why should not the Workers' Society include some members of the OGPU?
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OK, now we see the video, all becomes clear! The audio is rather 'choppy' and obviously edited, which has made it grammatically incorrect. So now we can understand:
He turned it into a motto, Dynamo ... was created [by him] along with a group of officials and members of the OGPU, [being officially named the] "Workers’ society of the Moscow Dynamo", under the protection of the Soviet political police.
It's all dreadfully messy!
Under the protection of the Soviet political police, Dynamo ... was created, along with a group of officials and members of the OGPU known as the "Workers’ society of the Moscow Dynamo".
Does that help you understand it better?
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I don't actually see that as being contradictory: why should not the Workers' Society include some members of the OGPU?
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OK, now we see the video, all becomes clear! The audio is rather 'choppy' and obviously edited, which has made it grammatically incorrect. So now we can understand:
He turned it into a motto, Dynamo ... was created [by him] along with a group of officials and members of the OGPU, [being officially named the] "Workers’ society of the Moscow Dynamo", under the protection of the Soviet political police.
It's all dreadfully messy!
Note from asker:
| Thank you, Tony. Well, I might well be wrong, but I don't think members of the OGPU can be known as "the "Workers’ society of the Moscow Dynamo" because this very OGPU is the Soviet political police. I'll post links about it in the disc. |
| Oh, thank you again, Tony! |
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Jack Doughty
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Thanks, Jack! Once you hear the narration, it becoems a lot clearer.
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B D Finch
: OGPU members are unlikely to have wanted the personal publicity!
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Thanks, B! Yes, that's why I modified my suggestion once I had watched the video
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Yvonne Gallagher
: the workers society= Morozovtsi Orekhovo-Zuevo Moskva" I think which predates this as it was "founded as a factory team in 1887.//Yes, probably
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Thanks, G! I bow to your superior knowledge — although maybe they simply based it on the existing organisation?
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Daryo
: exactly, "along with" = both created at the same time and connected to each other// secret police ARE (avant-garde!) workers - at least in their mindset ... // the 1887 Club might be touted as "the predecessor", but it's another club
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Merci, Daryo !
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Reference:
See Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_Sports_Club
According to the Wikipedia entry, the Dynamo Sports Club "was created on Felix Dzerzhinsky's initiative and under the sponsorship of the State Political Directorate (GPU), the Soviet political police".
How "workers' society of the Moscow Dynamo" fits into your text grammatically is completely unclear to me.
According to the Wikipedia entry, the Dynamo Sports Club "was created on Felix Dzerzhinsky's initiative and under the sponsorship of the State Political Directorate (GPU), the Soviet political police".
How "workers' society of the Moscow Dynamo" fits into your text grammatically is completely unclear to me.
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philgoddard
: It doesn't make sense. I'd either query it with the customer (who probably won't know the answer) or leave it out and put a translator's note explaining why.
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Darius Saczuk
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Discussion
This text makes perfect sense.
Having lived near a "sports centre" in Belgrade, I can be 100% sure that it's not the same as just a football team;
That kind of "sports centre" [as that time and place] could include pitches for many sports, swimming pools etc ... and would be open for use by the local population, as well as professional teams - Roughly comparable to what would be a "sports centre" in UK, at least regarding the facilities (but not the legal side, for sure)
IOW you have an umbrella organisation created by "workers" from the secret police running a "sports centre" AND also creating a football team
I'm sorry for being late in posting the video - I just thought there was something wrong with my understanding of that part of the sentence.
Dissolved 15th November, 1923
Superseding agency OGPU
Type Secret police
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joint_State_Polit...