Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
an einem Punkt X ansetzen
English translation:
take X as a starting point
Added to glossary by
Sebastian Witte
Jan 4, 2014 12:15
10 yrs ago
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German term
ansetzen
German to English
Law/Patents
Law: Patents, Trademarks, Copyright
Rejoinder in the field of ICT/networks
Dieser Sachverhalt ist jedoch gerade nicht Gegenstand des Klagepatents, das eine Anmeldung/Authentisierung gegenüber dem Internetdiensteanbieter gerade voraussetzt und bei der Kontrolle der Datenkommunikation anhand der öffentlichen Netzadresse für die Kommunikation im öffentlichen Netz (Internet) ***ansetzt***.
I have:
"These circumstances are, however, actually not the subject matter of the patent in suit, which precisely requires logging in with/authentication vis-à-vis the Internet service provider and ***is based on taking*** data communication ***being monitored*** by means of the public network address ***as a starting point for*** enabling communication in the public network (Internet)."
The problem is that I do not fully understand the story when it comes to the network technology aspect. We have a redirection server, a user's rule set, users gather in computing class and the teacher is in a position to decide which user computers are granted access to the Internet after logging in to a preceding local network and which ones aren't or based on which prerequisites they are, there is, like I said, a privates Zugangsnetz preceding the actual Internet, log-ins (to the privates Zugangsnetz, which is also called lokales Zugangsnetz in the rejoinder - I think???), which is seemingly not quite the same as the "authentication" (meaning that the user is identified - I think) it also talks about .... it's really a bit confusing for someone who only occasionally works in IT.
- Does my translation at least make sense, even if not sounding particularly elegant?
- If so, how could I make it sound less stilted?
- If it doesn't, I would appreciate your suggestions based on logical analysis and possibly also a certain understanding of both network technology and the logic of putting forward an argument and making a point in patent litigation as this is for a demanding customer.
Best regards,
Sebastian
I have:
"These circumstances are, however, actually not the subject matter of the patent in suit, which precisely requires logging in with/authentication vis-à-vis the Internet service provider and ***is based on taking*** data communication ***being monitored*** by means of the public network address ***as a starting point for*** enabling communication in the public network (Internet)."
The problem is that I do not fully understand the story when it comes to the network technology aspect. We have a redirection server, a user's rule set, users gather in computing class and the teacher is in a position to decide which user computers are granted access to the Internet after logging in to a preceding local network and which ones aren't or based on which prerequisites they are, there is, like I said, a privates Zugangsnetz preceding the actual Internet, log-ins (to the privates Zugangsnetz, which is also called lokales Zugangsnetz in the rejoinder - I think???), which is seemingly not quite the same as the "authentication" (meaning that the user is identified - I think) it also talks about .... it's really a bit confusing for someone who only occasionally works in IT.
- Does my translation at least make sense, even if not sounding particularly elegant?
- If so, how could I make it sound less stilted?
- If it doesn't, I would appreciate your suggestions based on logical analysis and possibly also a certain understanding of both network technology and the logic of putting forward an argument and making a point in patent litigation as this is for a demanding customer.
Best regards,
Sebastian
Proposed translations
(English)
3 | to address (exactly) | Bernhard Sulzer |
3 | come into play | Michael Martin, MA |
3 | commences with | gangels (X) |
Change log
Jan 4, 2014 12:53: Sebastian Witte changed "Field (specific)" from "Telecom(munications)" to "Law: Patents, Trademarks, Copyright"
Proposed translations
5 hrs
Selected
to address (exactly)
or: takes into account
"ansetzen" might be used here as a stronger word indicating that indeed the patent deals with this issue exactly. So you might want to paraphrase it in such a way or use words like
deals exactly with ..
refers exactly to
If there is more evidence that it is meant as a "starting point", here are a few more alternatives:
deals with/addresses, at the very outset, ...
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Note added at 5 hrs (2014-01-04 17:55:27 GMT)
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Note regarding my answer in the answer box:
"and/which addresses" ... for your context. I just put "to address" in the answer box to indicate it's a verb.
"ansetzen" might be used here as a stronger word indicating that indeed the patent deals with this issue exactly. So you might want to paraphrase it in such a way or use words like
deals exactly with ..
refers exactly to
If there is more evidence that it is meant as a "starting point", here are a few more alternatives:
deals with/addresses, at the very outset, ...
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Note added at 5 hrs (2014-01-04 17:55:27 GMT)
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Note regarding my answer in the answer box:
"and/which addresses" ... for your context. I just put "to address" in the answer box to indicate it's a verb.
3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you Hans-Jochen Trost and also gangels."
20 hrs
come into play
"But this aspect is not at all the object of the patent in suit which instead hinges on login authentication vis-a-vis the internet provider and comes into play when monitoring data communication through a public web address for communication on public networks (internet)."
Or:
… when data communication is monitored through a public web address for communication on public networks (internet).
Or:
… when data communication is monitored through a public web address for communication on public networks (internet).
1 day 2 hrs
commences with
Indeed, the subject matter is not at issue relative to the litigated patent which specifically mandates a log-in/authentication vis-a-vis the internet service provider, commencing with the control of data communication by use of the public network address for traffic on the web.
Discussion
as far as "ansetzen" is concerned, I don't see this a lot online and I believe the main idea might simply be "to address (in the sense of "deals with")
It seems the defenders of the patent in suit are trying to make the point that based on their patent, data communication is indeed controlled/can be identified since everyone communicating through their service is registered/authenticated.