Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
serán empresarios todas las personas
English translation:
all persons .... shall be considered employers...
Spanish term
serán empresarios todas las personas
Origin: Spain
Source: http://www.ugt.es/DatoBasico/estatutodelostrabajadoresactual...
Context:
A los efectos de esta Ley, serán empresarios todas las personas, físicas o jurídicas, o comunidades de bienes que reciban la prestación de servicios de las personas referidas en el apartado anterior, así como de las personas contratadas para ser cedidas a empresas usuarias por empresas de trabajo temporal legalmente constituidas.
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Proposed translations
all persons .... shall be considered employers...
"...all persons, natural or legal/juridical, or community properties, receiving the services of the persons mentioned in the previous section, shall be considered employers..."
Thanks Billh and Charles. I am still confused as to why they use both empleador and empresario together though. Seems to be redundant. |
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Billh
: That's the type of construction I would use
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Charles Davis
: This will do fine.
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Rachael West
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a business owner shall mean any natural or legal person or...
An example:
Definition of Manufacturer
1.The manufacturer is any natural or legal person who is responsible for designing and manufacturing a product with a view to placing it on the Community market "under his own name" (or trademark*).
2.The responsibilities of the manufacturer apply also to any natural or legal person who assembles, packs, processes, or labels ready-made products with a view to their being placed on the Community market "under his own name".
In answer to your question: those who should be considered business owners shall be any person "que reciban la prestación de servicios...
but as I mentioned above I would rephrase it in the singular.
Hope this helps
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Note added at 30 mins (2013-11-14 21:54:22 GMT)
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Forgot to include link
http://www.ce-marking.com/what-is-a-manufacturer.html
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Note added at 37 mins (2013-11-14 22:01:48 GMT)
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I used business owner because that is the term you used when asking this question and also it was offered as an answer to your previous question :-). In my humble opinion entrepreneur has the connotation of somebody who is starting a business venture...
Thank you - this is helpful. I have translated "física o jurídica" as an "individual or a corporate body," but perhaps natural or legal person is better. Also I have translated empresario as entrepreneur not business owner. Any thoughts on that? |
Yes, I think you are right about entrepreneur. The definition is basically business owner but the connotation is different. |
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Billh
: oops no. This is the famous 'workers statute' and here empresario means employer.
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Thank you Bill, there is a separate question for empresario, can you comment on the rest of the sentence and his question regarding his understanding of the paragraph?
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Discussion
Thanks for your help again Charles. The two uses of similar words really threw me off (regarding the other question).
Yes, as I said on the other question, and others have been saying too, they are the same thing in this case; not that empresario always means employer of course, just that it does here.
@Charles thanks for the explination. I do have a question though. In the text they use both empleador and empresario - then are those two the same thing?