Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Swedish term or phrase:
filmpolitiska klimatet
English translation:
cinepolitical climate; political climate for the film industry, film industry policy
Added to glossary by
Charlesp
Jun 19, 2013 08:04
11 yrs ago
Swedish term
filmpolitiska klimatet
Swedish to English
Art/Literary
Cinema, Film, TV, Drama
Ok. This works well in Swedish, but not so well in English.
It is clear what "filmpolitiska klimatet" means, but to translate it as "film political climate" sounds a bit odd to my ears.
Could say, the “political climate" concerning films, but that I think moves the emphasis.
Any ideas or comments?
It is clear what "filmpolitiska klimatet" means, but to translate it as "film political climate" sounds a bit odd to my ears.
Could say, the “political climate" concerning films, but that I think moves the emphasis.
Any ideas or comments?
Proposed translations
(English)
2 +2 | cinepolitical climate | Ian Giles |
4 | film industry policy | Anna Herbst |
4 -2 | the climate of political cinema | Richard Green |
3 -3 | the climate for political cinema | rajagopalan sampatkumar |
Proposed translations
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1 hr
Selected
cinepolitical climate
It is context dependent, but I would feel fairly comfortable generating my own term for this if there wasn't a way round it or a better solution. My proposed target term doesn't appear to be used with any significant frequency, but it's fairly clear to the reader what it is referring to. The problem is the words "cinema" and "politics" is that the reader (and google) think you're talking about political films - ie a film about Margaret Thatcher - rather than something more inherent.
Example sentence:
The cinepolitical climate of time was difficult
Note from asker:
Thanks. Excellent idea. I am going to use this! |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Mats Wiman
: Very good invention of yours!
1 hr
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agree |
Richard Green
: Correct based on the context provided, and a nice term too!
1 hr
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agree |
rajagopalan sampatkumar
6 hrs
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disagree |
Anna Herbst
: The term exists with different meaning: Godard/.../has pursued his cine-political explorations of the image" http://film-philosophy.com/index.php/f-p/article/view/704/61... and is a phenomenon in India http://jmionline.org/film_journal/jmi_01/article_03.php
23 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Excellent made-up word.
"Political climate for the film industry" works, well too -- but not as a term.
Then there is "film industry policy,' which depending upon context, could also be appropriate.
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2 hrs
the climate for political cinema
the climate for political cinema (films).
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Mats Wiman
: Misunderstood. No political films
30 mins
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disagree |
Richard Green
: The same, incorrect answer as mine. See context provided by Charles.
41 mins
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disagree |
Anna Herbst
: Nothing to do with political films
21 hrs
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1 day 30 mins
film industry policy
"Filmpolitik" is to do with government policy regarding the film industry and has nothing to do with "politisk film".
"Film industry policy" is a concept widely used in the English speaking world.
Your given sentence under Richard's answer could then translate:
"ett resultat av det allmänna filmpolitiska klimatet är att biodistributionen har blivit mer kommersiell" >>
"One result of the film industry policy in general is that the distribution of films has become more commercial"
As you can see, I have left out the word "klimatet" as I don't think it is necessary in the English version in order to achieve the same meaning as the original Swedish, and including it would make the sentence a bit unwieldy.
"Film industry policy" is a concept widely used in the English speaking world.
Your given sentence under Richard's answer could then translate:
"ett resultat av det allmänna filmpolitiska klimatet är att biodistributionen har blivit mer kommersiell" >>
"One result of the film industry policy in general is that the distribution of films has become more commercial"
As you can see, I have left out the word "klimatet" as I don't think it is necessary in the English version in order to achieve the same meaning as the original Swedish, and including it would make the sentence a bit unwieldy.
Example sentence:
This placing of film industry policy within the arts commitments of federal and state governments had definite effects upon the kind of actions that were possible.
Ivan Lewis MP and his team are doing a great job putting the effort in to get a coherent film industry policy.
Note from asker:
Excellent contribution. Thanks! |
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10 mins
the climate of political cinema
Just a suggestion if you wanted to turn the adjective of "filmpolitisk" into a noun, which I propose as "political cinema".
I think "political cinema" fits quite well since it includes, but is not exclusive to, propaganda, including other aspects of politics as well.
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Note added at 21 mins (2013-06-19 08:26:18 GMT)
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Ahh, I see Charles. Would you be able to post a couple of example phrases in the discussion section? Then I/we can see how it is used and give you a more accurate solution.
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Note added at 1 day42 mins (2013-06-20 08:46:45 GMT)
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No problem, Charles! Wait the 24 hours and award the points to Ian. I really like his answer. I just wish that those who disagree would read the course of events in the answer to understand my thinking, but not to worry!
I think "political cinema" fits quite well since it includes, but is not exclusive to, propaganda, including other aspects of politics as well.
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Note added at 21 mins (2013-06-19 08:26:18 GMT)
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Ahh, I see Charles. Would you be able to post a couple of example phrases in the discussion section? Then I/we can see how it is used and give you a more accurate solution.
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Note added at 1 day42 mins (2013-06-20 08:46:45 GMT)
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No problem, Charles! Wait the 24 hours and award the points to Ian. I really like his answer. I just wish that those who disagree would read the course of events in the answer to understand my thinking, but not to worry!
Note from asker:
Thanks Richard. But I don't think this is referring to political cinema, as interesting and important as that is. I think it is referring to the politics around film; i.e the difficulties of getting funding, distribution and screening at movie theatres. |
ett resultat av det allmänna filmpolitiska klimatet är att biodistributionen har blivit mer kommersiell, |
I'll close this so that there are no more disagrees. By the way, I did like X, and Z, at the time. |
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Mats Wiman
: Misunderstood. No political films
2 hrs
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Context posted after suggestion made.
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disagree |
Anna Herbst
: Nothing to do with political films
23 hrs
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Reference comments
3 hrs
Reference:
political climate (for the industry)
Sorry, out for a morning and the world keeps working! But will add this after the fact for our mutual enlightenment.
Your idea was correct -- This has to do with what subsidies (forms and amounts) the gov't provides to the industry (production and distribution). This has nothing to do with 'political cinema' and you don't need to create a word for this.
See http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/Debatter--beslut/Debatter-och-bes...
Filmpolitiska frågor (KrU2)
Hösten 2012 kom staten och aktörer inom den svenska tv- och filmbranschen överens om ett nytt filmavtal för perioden 2013-2015. I avtalet behandlas bland annat frågan om stöd till svensk film. Regeringen föreslår att avtalets parter vid inkomstbeskattning även i fortsättningen får avdrag för de avgifter och bidrag som de enligt avtalet ska betala till Svenska Filminstitutet. Riksdagen sa ja till regeringens lagförslag men med ändring av ikraftträdande- och övergångsbestämmelserna'
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Note added at 5 hrs (2013-06-19 13:55:28 GMT)
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Sure enough, I like new words too! If it works go for it!
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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2013-06-20 10:57:27 GMT) Post-grading
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Your welcome for the info, I'll take the 'cred' and try for the points next time!
Your idea was correct -- This has to do with what subsidies (forms and amounts) the gov't provides to the industry (production and distribution). This has nothing to do with 'political cinema' and you don't need to create a word for this.
See http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/Debatter--beslut/Debatter-och-bes...
Filmpolitiska frågor (KrU2)
Hösten 2012 kom staten och aktörer inom den svenska tv- och filmbranschen överens om ett nytt filmavtal för perioden 2013-2015. I avtalet behandlas bland annat frågan om stöd till svensk film. Regeringen föreslår att avtalets parter vid inkomstbeskattning även i fortsättningen får avdrag för de avgifter och bidrag som de enligt avtalet ska betala till Svenska Filminstitutet. Riksdagen sa ja till regeringens lagförslag men med ändring av ikraftträdande- och övergångsbestämmelserna'
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Note added at 5 hrs (2013-06-19 13:55:28 GMT)
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Sure enough, I like new words too! If it works go for it!
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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2013-06-20 10:57:27 GMT) Post-grading
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Your welcome for the info, I'll take the 'cred' and try for the points next time!
Note from asker:
Thanks Deanne. That is a really great suggestion, "political climate for the film industry" , but I like cinepolitical climate even though that is a made-up word. Thanks also for the reference; great help. |
If you don't post it as an Answer, you can't get any points. But I'll give you "extra credit" for the posting and all of the information included that. Thanks a lot; that was great (and helpful). |
Discussion
"He can make the cinepolitical connection back to The Birth of a Nation ..." http://www.timeout.com/paris/en/film/sergeant-rutledge
and
"All that said, these are but private trifles, fancies and vanities once we look at certain cinepolitical developments. Anti-Semitism was, for me, the year’s ugly leitmotif" http://sensesofcinema.com/2011/feature-articles/2010-wold-po...
As another person with a background in film studies, I am afraid I have to disagree with you when you say that cine-political (with or without hyphen) does not bring the thought to political cinema. The effect it had on me was that political cinema was the first thought that entered my mind, and I cannot imagine I would be so different from everyone else?