Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
cruz arbolada
English translation:
furca
Added to glossary by
Hazel Whiteley
Jul 26, 2003 08:31
21 yrs ago
Spanish term
cruz arbolada
Spanish to English
Art/Literary
"Entre los tesoros albergados en la iglesia, destacan la imagen románica de Santa María de las Huertas (nombre antiguo del monasterio) y el crucifijo gótico sobre cruz arbolada, de posible procedencia renana, titular de la actual advocación de la iglesia"
Some sort of Christian cross included in some mediaeval churches.
Thanks
Some sort of Christian cross included in some mediaeval churches.
Thanks
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +1 | Ypsilon cross |
Gonzalo Garcia
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| 3 +1 | Cross Fleury |
Patricia Baldwin
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| 4 | verdant cross |
Monica Alves
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| 2 | arboreal cross |
Nikki Graham
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| 2 | tree-like cross |
two2tango
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Proposed translations
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Selected
Ypsilon cross
El término no figura como tal en mis diccionarios de arte, y es muy poco frecuente en la red. Tampoco hay menciones en el CORDE ni otros corpus. La verdad es que no entiendo la razón.
Si tu texto se refiere a un templo navarro, hay dos páginas que coinciden en señalar que el crucifijo tiene forma de Y y que podría ser de origen alemán. A esa clase de cruz se la conoce como cruz de tau bífida, o de ípsilon, o cruz de los ladrones.
"Al partir vimos en “Santa Maria de las Huertas (hoy Iglesia del Crucifijo), construida por los Templarios; -el hermoso crucifijo en “Y”, donado por un peregrino aleman en el siglo XVI"
Si se tratara de esta cruz, en el enlace de abajo verás nombres alternativos: furca o cross of the robbers.
Suerte,
Gonzalo
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Por cierto, por si ayudara en la búsqueda, encontré un par de referencias francesas a una \"croix arborée\".
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Note added at 1 hr 46 mins (2003-07-26 10:17:27 GMT)
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http://perso.club-internet.fr/jc_roux/Virage_sud.htm
http://www.camisards.net/ManuscritBorrelly.htm
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Tampoco por \"tree cross\" encuentro nada interesante; uno la relaciona con la \"cruz céltica\" o \"celtic cross\", pero no sé con qué fundamento (http://www.celtart.com/catalog.html); y en general solo aparece en contextos como \"an asp tree cross\", \"a fallen tree cross\", y similares.
Aquí me quedo. ¡Suerte!
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Note added at 6 days (2003-08-01 14:48:46 GMT) Post-grading
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¿\"Cruz de pata de oca\"?? Uno no termina nunca de aprender... :)
Si tu texto se refiere a un templo navarro, hay dos páginas que coinciden en señalar que el crucifijo tiene forma de Y y que podría ser de origen alemán. A esa clase de cruz se la conoce como cruz de tau bífida, o de ípsilon, o cruz de los ladrones.
"Al partir vimos en “Santa Maria de las Huertas (hoy Iglesia del Crucifijo), construida por los Templarios; -el hermoso crucifijo en “Y”, donado por un peregrino aleman en el siglo XVI"
Si se tratara de esta cruz, en el enlace de abajo verás nombres alternativos: furca o cross of the robbers.
Suerte,
Gonzalo
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Note added at 2003-07-26 10:13:50 (GMT)
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Por cierto, por si ayudara en la búsqueda, encontré un par de referencias francesas a una \"croix arborée\".
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Note added at 1 hr 46 mins (2003-07-26 10:17:27 GMT)
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http://perso.club-internet.fr/jc_roux/Virage_sud.htm
http://www.camisards.net/ManuscritBorrelly.htm
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Note added at 2 hrs 0 min (2003-07-26 10:31:23 GMT)
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Tampoco por \"tree cross\" encuentro nada interesante; uno la relaciona con la \"cruz céltica\" o \"celtic cross\", pero no sé con qué fundamento (http://www.celtart.com/catalog.html); y en general solo aparece en contextos como \"an asp tree cross\", \"a fallen tree cross\", y similares.
Aquí me quedo. ¡Suerte!
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Note added at 6 days (2003-08-01 14:48:46 GMT) Post-grading
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¿\"Cruz de pata de oca\"?? Uno no termina nunca de aprender... :)
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks to everyone - I really appreciate all the research and thinking that went into this. I eventually asked the client, who gave me a reference explaining what it was:
(http://usuarios.lycos.es/suski1/iglesia_crucifijo.htm)
Then I looked up "furca" (intrigued by the "Y-shape" coincidence) and found this:
http://www.menantolstudio.freeserve.co.uk/web%20page%203(5).htm
Thanks again"
2 hrs
arboreal cross
no idea really. Can't find hardly any info, and none of it useful.
Indeed, the confraternity members depicted in these murals, both those in white and those in black, wear the traditional escutcheon of confraternities of the Vera Cruz: a green arboreal cross on a white ground. The artist of these murals obviously took great care to represent the escutcheons clearly and in detail. The colors are discernable upon close inspection of the murals, but are too faded to be visible in photographs.
(1st ref)
Ambas tienen un programa iconográfico con bastantes puntos en común: la presencia de las tres Virtudes Teologales en la iglesia, la cruz arbolada símbolo de las Hermandad de la Caridad, unos santos que en Málaga aparecen por ser personas que ejercieron la Caridad y que en Sevilla muestran distintos actos de misericordia y en el coro de la iglesia de la Caridad de Sevilla existe un cuadro con el mismo tema que el cuadro de Málaga “El emperador Heraclio en hábito de penitente”, que actualmente se está restaurando. (2nd ref).
Anyway, hope this helps
Indeed, the confraternity members depicted in these murals, both those in white and those in black, wear the traditional escutcheon of confraternities of the Vera Cruz: a green arboreal cross on a white ground. The artist of these murals obviously took great care to represent the escutcheons clearly and in detail. The colors are discernable upon close inspection of the murals, but are too faded to be visible in photographs.
(1st ref)
Ambas tienen un programa iconográfico con bastantes puntos en común: la presencia de las tres Virtudes Teologales en la iglesia, la cruz arbolada símbolo de las Hermandad de la Caridad, unos santos que en Málaga aparecen por ser personas que ejercieron la Caridad y que en Sevilla muestran distintos actos de misericordia y en el coro de la iglesia de la Caridad de Sevilla existe un cuadro con el mismo tema que el cuadro de Málaga “El emperador Heraclio en hábito de penitente”, que actualmente se está restaurando. (2nd ref).
Anyway, hope this helps
7 hrs
tree-like cross
I am out of my field of expertise, but wanted to share some web findings.
... From the twelth century, a magnificent Romanesque Christ on a tree-like Cross instils peace, its quietness makes it similar to characters of the tympanum. ...
www.frenchcom.com/moissac/anglais/sir2_e.htm
... An illumination from the medieval "Rothschild Canticles" depicts Jesus on a crude tree-like cross which is supported by a large seated figure who may be God ...
suncrossxsymbol.homestead.com/files/suncross.htm
... From the twelth century, a magnificent Romanesque Christ on a tree-like Cross instils peace, its quietness makes it similar to characters of the tympanum. ...
www.frenchcom.com/moissac/anglais/sir2_e.htm
... An illumination from the medieval "Rothschild Canticles" depicts Jesus on a crude tree-like cross which is supported by a large seated figure who may be God ...
suncrossxsymbol.homestead.com/files/suncross.htm
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8 hrs
Patricia Baldwin
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Cross Fleury
Fleury: terminating in the three leaves of a fleur-de-lis: said of the arms of a cross
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Cross Fleury: a cross whose arms end in a fleur-de-lis
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the tree/orchard/vegatation themes seem to be very visited in and around the Santa Marìa de la Huerta Church and its surrounds, could the cross be verdant or a tree corss as a representation of the place , take a look at it at:
www.lasmerindades.com/turismo/comarca/folletos/urria.htm
Just another lead, hope it helps.
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Cross Fleury: a cross whose arms end in a fleur-de-lis
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Note added at 2003-07-26 18:59:28 (GMT)
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the tree/orchard/vegatation themes seem to be very visited in and around the Santa Marìa de la Huerta Church and its surrounds, could the cross be verdant or a tree corss as a representation of the place , take a look at it at:
www.lasmerindades.com/turismo/comarca/folletos/urria.htm
Just another lead, hope it helps.
Peer comment(s):
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Monica Alves
: I'd ten to agree but I still don't understand : crucijo sobre cruz??
11 mins
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I know, it is odd I´ll keep trying to find a way out and Many Thanks for the agree, Mònica.
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9 hrs
Monica Alves
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" 20+ years experience in translation"
Native in: Portuguese , English
Works in: Portuguese to English, Italian to English, French to English, and 6 more.
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verdant cross
This seems to be the general term used for the representation of the cross as a tree
The image of the verdant cross, then, expressed with poetic conciseness the complicated theology by which the Crucifixion atoned for the Fall. And it imprinted itself on virtually every kind of sacred article through the Christian Middle Ages from a ninth-century breviary in the Benedictine abbey of Corvey, where the serpent snakes about the base of a palmate cross, through the great mosaic in the apse of San Clements in Rome, where the cross rises from a vast acanthus, to a fifteenth-century breviary by the Ermengau Master (color illus. 2 3), in which the bent boughs of the palmate cross rhyme with the mortified rib cage of the suffering Christ."
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Note added at 9 hrs 10 mins (2003-07-26 17:42:10 GMT)
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Have a look at the site, there\'s a lot more that might help you decide
The image of the verdant cross, then, expressed with poetic conciseness the complicated theology by which the Crucifixion atoned for the Fall. And it imprinted itself on virtually every kind of sacred article through the Christian Middle Ages from a ninth-century breviary in the Benedictine abbey of Corvey, where the serpent snakes about the base of a palmate cross, through the great mosaic in the apse of San Clements in Rome, where the cross rises from a vast acanthus, to a fifteenth-century breviary by the Ermengau Master (color illus. 2 3), in which the bent boughs of the palmate cross rhyme with the mortified rib cage of the suffering Christ."
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Note added at 9 hrs 10 mins (2003-07-26 17:42:10 GMT)
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Have a look at the site, there\'s a lot more that might help you decide
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