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Jun 17, 2012 13:05
12 yrs ago
German term
fir tod
German to English
Art/Literary
Poetry & Literature
Language from c. 1500
I need to translate a sentence dating from about 1500. None of the Kudoz categories seem appropriate!
This concerns the story of a tavern keeper, who mocked people when they talked of miraculous cures. It goes on to say that the man
"fir tod hingefallen vor den gesten (und) wurde an paiden augen erplind und also auf drei stund näsling (auf der Nase) gelegen"
As far as I understand, this is saying that he fell to the ground before the (tavern) guests, blind in both eyes and lay nose-down for three hours.
The "fir tod" is causing me problems! I'm guessing "fir" might be "vier", but "tod"? Does it mean he fell to the ground as if dead, four times?
This concerns the story of a tavern keeper, who mocked people when they talked of miraculous cures. It goes on to say that the man
"fir tod hingefallen vor den gesten (und) wurde an paiden augen erplind und also auf drei stund näsling (auf der Nase) gelegen"
As far as I understand, this is saying that he fell to the ground before the (tavern) guests, blind in both eyes and lay nose-down for three hours.
The "fir tod" is causing me problems! I'm guessing "fir" might be "vier", but "tod"? Does it mean he fell to the ground as if dead, four times?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | for dead |
Laura Ball (X)
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References
| Wikipedia page on and in Mitteldeutsch |
Joseph Given (X)
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| is this what your sentence is from? |
oa_xxx (X)
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Change log
Jun 18, 2012 07:24: Steffen Walter changed "Field" from "Other" to "Art/Literary" , "Field (specific)" from "General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters" to "Poetry & Literature"
Proposed translations
19 hrs
for dead
It is Mittelniedersächsisch, without vowel rounding: "für" without rounding the lips = "fir".
Note from asker:
| I am totally confused as to why the answer was provided in discussion points rather than as an answer. There are some undercurrents, which I do not understand. |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Kim Metzger
: I think asker should just close this question, since the answer was provided by others immediately.
3 hrs
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Reference comments
18 hrs
Reference:
Wikipedia page on and in Mitteldeutsch
I just found this. Might be interesting for some: A Wikipedia article about Mitteldeutsch, written in Mitteldeutsch. In the licence terms the word "fir" is also used.
Tekscht isch verfiegbar unter dr „Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike“-Lizänz. S cha syy, ass es zuesätzligi Bedingige git; lueg d Nutzigsbedingige fir Einzelheite. Wikipedia®
:)
Tekscht isch verfiegbar unter dr „Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike“-Lizänz. S cha syy, ass es zuesätzligi Bedingige git; lueg d Nutzigsbedingige fir Einzelheite. Wikipedia®
:)
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Reference:
is this what your sentence is from?
http://www.desitin.de/kunstforum/galerie/votiv-tafeln/das-ep...
I would also think - fuer/wie Tot - as if dead?
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Note added at 1 day3 hrs (2012-06-18 16:59:55 GMT)
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Never too confident about old German so didnt want to post this as an answer and was really just agreeing with Kim Metzger's entry - and Coqueiro's - in the discussion box.
I do feel that in English "as if" or as Ramey suggests "like a" would have to be used.
Anyway, between the 'agrees' and the extra information on Mitteldeutsch and Mittelniedersächsisch, I would say a good combined effort ;)
I would also think - fuer/wie Tot - as if dead?
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Note added at 1 day3 hrs (2012-06-18 16:59:55 GMT)
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Never too confident about old German so didnt want to post this as an answer and was really just agreeing with Kim Metzger's entry - and Coqueiro's - in the discussion box.
I do feel that in English "as if" or as Ramey suggests "like a" would have to be used.
Anyway, between the 'agrees' and the extra information on Mitteldeutsch and Mittelniedersächsisch, I would say a good combined effort ;)
Note from asker:
| Yes, it is from that article, although I received it as part of a work project. I was concerned about the "fir" and guess my brain was fixated on fir/vier. Now you mention it though, fir/fuer seems obvious :) |
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| agree |
Kim Metzger
: Go ahead and enter it before our Google translator does.
5 mins
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| agree |
Coqueiro
16 mins
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| agree |
Armorel Young
24 mins
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| agree |
Kate Collyer
: yes, it's "divine retribution"
53 mins
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| agree |
Carmen Lawrence
1 hr
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| agree |
Nicola Wood
5 hrs
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| agree |
Ricarda Colditz
6 hrs
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| agree |
Laura Ball (X)
: It is Mittelniedersächsisch, without vowel rounding: "für" without rounding = "fir".
18 hrs
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| agree |
Ramey Rieger (X)
: as if dead/like a corpse
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