Jul 13, 2003 18:29
21 yrs ago
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French term
France
TRADUIRE C'EST COMMUNIQUER
Native in: French 
, English
Works in: English to French, French to English, French
point de vue
Non-PRO
French to English
Other
Point de vue sur la vallée.
Would that be "view point on the valley" or just "view on the valley", and is "on the..." correct? Or could it be "to the" or "of the"?
(GB english)
Would that be "view point on the valley" or just "view on the valley", and is "on the..." correct? Or could it be "to the" or "of the"?
(GB english)
Proposed translations
(English)
Proposed translations
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2 mins
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scenic point, view point
ref. Termium:
Domaine(s)
– Equipment and Facilities (Festive
Events)
– Parks and Botanical Gardens
– Tourism
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– Installations et équipement (Loisirs)
– Parcs et jardins botaniques
– Tourisme
lookout Source CORRECT
viewpoint Source CORRECT
scenic point Source
vista Source
belvédère Source CORRECT,
MASC
point de vue Source CORRECT,
VOIR FICHE, MASC
DEF – An elevated place or
structure affording a wide view
.... Source
OBS – lookout; viewpoint:
terms used by Parks Canada.
Source
DEF – Lieu spécialement
aménagé pour faciliter la
contemplation d'un panorama.
Source
OBS – L'expression «point de
vue» s'emploie en général pour
désigner un belvédère non
aménagé. Source
OBS – Termes en usage à
Parcs Canada. Source
Domaine(s)
– Equipment and Facilities (Festive
Events)
– Parks and Botanical Gardens
– Tourism
Domaine(s)
– Installations et équipement (Loisirs)
– Parcs et jardins botaniques
– Tourisme
lookout Source CORRECT
viewpoint Source CORRECT
scenic point Source
vista Source
belvédère Source CORRECT,
MASC
point de vue Source CORRECT,
VOIR FICHE, MASC
DEF – An elevated place or
structure affording a wide view
.... Source
OBS – lookout; viewpoint:
terms used by Parks Canada.
Source
DEF – Lieu spécialement
aménagé pour faciliter la
contemplation d'un panorama.
Source
OBS – L'expression «point de
vue» s'emploie en général pour
désigner un belvédère non
aménagé. Source
OBS – Termes en usage à
Parcs Canada. Source
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Graded automatically based on peer agreement."
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14 mins
margaret caulfield
Native in English
Accurate, natural and very hard-working
Native in: English , Spanish
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
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view over the valley
I think this is the most natural way of saying it. "The view over the valley was wonderful", for example.
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truptee
: yes.
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Thanks, truptree
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Jean-Luc Dumont
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Thanks, JLDSF
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danyce
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Thanks, danyce
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verbis
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Carline Dumoulin
2 hrs
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gradiva
6 hrs
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sktrans
9 hrs
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Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: this is NOT the meaning here: it's a scenic overlook...not just a view :)
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swisstell
: and (for a change) agree with Jane
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Sorry, e-rish... see my answer above.... no way!!
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Philip Bull
: absolutely!
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15 mins
lookout
from this lookout, you overlook the whole valley
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Jean-Luc Dumont
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encore merci, Jean Luc
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margaret caulfield
: A lookout is a hiding place
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perhaps in YOUR country. In the USA a lookout is what it is supposed to be, a spot from where you can have a great view
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Chinoise
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thank you
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writeaway
: certainly one of the possible answers
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thanks for your outlook about the lookout!
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sktrans
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thanks, sktrans
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Philip Bull
: while this sense is given by Oxford, I think it is unusual or obsolete; the normal use of the term is in such expressions as "on the lookout for" etc.
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Viewpoint for the valley / Valley viewpoint
I assume the text is recommending a place where there is a spectacular view? My AA road map of GB calls these 'viewpoints'. In a longer sentence you might say 'the view over the valley from the viewpoint...'
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Yolanda Broad
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Fren & Span to Eng, a ProZ Pro!
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
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1551
vista
Vista is the most common expression. In the US, "lookout point," as proposed by e-Rich, also works.
Peer comment(s):
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margaret caulfield
: The asker clearly asked for a GB expression
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Peter McCavana
: In US English, is "vista" the viewing point as well as the view? In any case, in GB English, "vista" is rare, meaning only the view itself, and normally only a particular type of view: "a long narrow view as between rows of trees" [or between buildings]
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Viewpoint (looking out) over (the) valley
Would be my suggestion(s)
I'm not sure it is necessarily safe to change from the PLACE from where the view can be appreciated to the VIEW that is being enjoyed; it MAY work, of course, but in the overall context, I have my doubts...
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Note added at 2003-07-14 09:52:44 (GMT)
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I\'m afraid I totally diagree with Margaret\'s comment below; viewpoint certainly is VERY COMMONLY used in the UK to talk about such places, and has been for a very long time. I suspect in fact it is \'viewpoint\' that has more recently become hijacked to replace \'point of view\', in the way Margaret mentions. I know loads of places in the UK that are referred to as \'a popular local viewpoint\' etc.
I have to say that I\'m not quite so convinced about the suggestion of \'viweing point\' [Peter and others] It\'s certainly not a term I\'ve ever encountered in daily life, though of course there are many instances of \'viewing platform\' etc.
As for Jane\'s \'overlook\', I have to say I suspect this is a US term; the references you cite seem to be referring to US sights, so maybe the texts were of US origin; I have never personally come across this term in UK usage, it sounds very Amercian to my ears, and of course, there is another use of the word [to omit, an oversight, etc.] that is a lot more familiar to me in everyday use.
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Note added at 2003-07-14 19:44:49 (GMT)
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Jane — Yes, indeed, I don\'t disupte for an instant that these are all UK domain sites; but as I mentioned above, the ones you quote are all talking about places OUTSIDE the UK, and I suspect their texts may very well come from non-UK original sources. As a Brit, I can assure you that this is NOT a common term for usage within the UK — I think I am fairly likely to have come across such a general term in 40 years of speaking English, and I can honestly say I never have. If the Asker requires a commonly-used British expression, then I couldn\'t with hand on heart endorse the term that you\'ve suggested, excellent though it no doubt is, and clearly very familiar to plenty of non-UK readers
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Note added at 2003-07-15 13:38:19 (GMT)
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Interesting point, Philip! According to New Shorter OED:
viewpoint
1 A point of view; a mental standpoint from which a matter is considered. M19.
2 A point or position from which a view or prospect is seen; an observation point. M19.
Seems to me to endorse both uses; and the simple fact is that in everyday English, \'viewpoint\' is very frequently to be found on signposts, in guide-books and maps, etc.
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Note added at 2003-07-15 13:40:38 (GMT)
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...as confirmed by Nasus above in the AA road map, amongst many others
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Note added at 2003-07-15 13:45:22 (GMT)
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Here are a couple of Web references for each of ...over... and ...overlooking... — both clearly genuine UK sites:
[PDF]Flowers and birds in the Dordogne
... For lunch we drove to a viewpoint over the valley, from where black kites drifted around as we watch the workers in the fields far below. ...
homepages.tesco.net/~honeyguide/pdfs/Dordogne2001.pdf
Beinn Eighe
... a series of zig-zags to gain the ridge next to a cairn sitting at the foot of the ridge to the main summits - an almost aerial viewpoint over the valley below. ...
www.barbersasa.co.uk/scotland/torridon/beighe1.htm
Tan Rallt Caravan Park at Cheapest Camping Holidays UK
... such as fishing, golf and horse riding, the park itself boasts its very own protected limestone cliff which is a spectacular viewpoint overlooking the valley. ...
www.cheapest-camping-holidays.co.uk/camping_uk/ Tan-Rallt-Caravan-Park.shtml
Brockadale Nature Reserve News
... The path from the Leys Lane car park to the edge of the valley has been surfaced and widened to allow wheelchair access to a viewpoint overlooking the valley. ...
www.brockadale.fsnet.co.uk/news.htm
Good enough for them, good enough for me!
I'm not sure it is necessarily safe to change from the PLACE from where the view can be appreciated to the VIEW that is being enjoyed; it MAY work, of course, but in the overall context, I have my doubts...
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Note added at 2003-07-14 09:52:44 (GMT)
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I\'m afraid I totally diagree with Margaret\'s comment below; viewpoint certainly is VERY COMMONLY used in the UK to talk about such places, and has been for a very long time. I suspect in fact it is \'viewpoint\' that has more recently become hijacked to replace \'point of view\', in the way Margaret mentions. I know loads of places in the UK that are referred to as \'a popular local viewpoint\' etc.
I have to say that I\'m not quite so convinced about the suggestion of \'viweing point\' [Peter and others] It\'s certainly not a term I\'ve ever encountered in daily life, though of course there are many instances of \'viewing platform\' etc.
As for Jane\'s \'overlook\', I have to say I suspect this is a US term; the references you cite seem to be referring to US sights, so maybe the texts were of US origin; I have never personally come across this term in UK usage, it sounds very Amercian to my ears, and of course, there is another use of the word [to omit, an oversight, etc.] that is a lot more familiar to me in everyday use.
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Note added at 2003-07-14 19:44:49 (GMT)
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Jane — Yes, indeed, I don\'t disupte for an instant that these are all UK domain sites; but as I mentioned above, the ones you quote are all talking about places OUTSIDE the UK, and I suspect their texts may very well come from non-UK original sources. As a Brit, I can assure you that this is NOT a common term for usage within the UK — I think I am fairly likely to have come across such a general term in 40 years of speaking English, and I can honestly say I never have. If the Asker requires a commonly-used British expression, then I couldn\'t with hand on heart endorse the term that you\'ve suggested, excellent though it no doubt is, and clearly very familiar to plenty of non-UK readers
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Note added at 2003-07-15 13:38:19 (GMT)
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Interesting point, Philip! According to New Shorter OED:
viewpoint
1 A point of view; a mental standpoint from which a matter is considered. M19.
2 A point or position from which a view or prospect is seen; an observation point. M19.
Seems to me to endorse both uses; and the simple fact is that in everyday English, \'viewpoint\' is very frequently to be found on signposts, in guide-books and maps, etc.
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Note added at 2003-07-15 13:40:38 (GMT)
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...as confirmed by Nasus above in the AA road map, amongst many others
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Note added at 2003-07-15 13:45:22 (GMT)
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Here are a couple of Web references for each of ...over... and ...overlooking... — both clearly genuine UK sites:
[PDF]Flowers and birds in the Dordogne
... For lunch we drove to a viewpoint over the valley, from where black kites drifted around as we watch the workers in the fields far below. ...
homepages.tesco.net/~honeyguide/pdfs/Dordogne2001.pdf
Beinn Eighe
... a series of zig-zags to gain the ridge next to a cairn sitting at the foot of the ridge to the main summits - an almost aerial viewpoint over the valley below. ...
www.barbersasa.co.uk/scotland/torridon/beighe1.htm
Tan Rallt Caravan Park at Cheapest Camping Holidays UK
... such as fishing, golf and horse riding, the park itself boasts its very own protected limestone cliff which is a spectacular viewpoint overlooking the valley. ...
www.cheapest-camping-holidays.co.uk/camping_uk/ Tan-Rallt-Caravan-Park.shtml
Brockadale Nature Reserve News
... The path from the Leys Lane car park to the edge of the valley has been surfaced and widened to allow wheelchair access to a viewpoint overlooking the valley. ...
www.brockadale.fsnet.co.uk/news.htm
Good enough for them, good enough for me!
Peer comment(s):
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margaret caulfield
: A viewpoint tends to mean a "point of view", i.e. an opinion
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Thanks, Margaret — though I beg to differ. Please see longer comment above ^
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Peter McCavana
: Or "viewing point/viewpoint overlooking the valley", or "viewpoint looking over/down on the valley". "viewpoint" _is_ now used in UK English for "viewing point"
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Thanks Peter! Please also see comment above
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Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: Dustry, the references I cite all say UK in the Internet address...
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Thanks, Jane! Please see added comment above ^
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Philip Bull
: according to Oxford, viewpoint = "point of view, standpoint" -- I'm with Margaret
1 day 30 mins
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Thanks Philip! Please see further added comment above ^
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6 hrs
panoramic view over (overlooking) the valley
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Peer comment(s):
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gradiva
: tres joli
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merci!
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Philip Bull
: this is nice but I think it says more than the original text!
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scenic OVERLOOK on/of the valley
Bonafide UK tourist LINGO:
One stop at a popular Grand Canyon South Rim scenic overlook. · Guided
tour of Monument Valley with multiple stops for scenic views. ...
www.scenicairlines.co.uk/tours/LM2.html - 37k - Cached - Similar pages [UK SITE]
www.scenicairlines.co.uk
... Complimentary hotel pick-up and drop-off. · Bus excursion with guide.
· West Rim scenic overlook.[ANOTHER!!] · Air-conditioned passenger aircraft. ...
www.scenicairlines.co.uk/tours/LI1.html - 36k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.scenicairlines.co.uk ]
Expedia.co.uk Slide Shows: Woodland wonders
... A worthwhile (and well-paved) side trip off the Kancamagus Highway is Bear Notch
Road, which heralds a scenic overlook of a river valley ablaze with autumn ...
www.expedia.co.uk/daily/slideshow/NewEngland/7.asp - 25k - Cached - Similar pages
Expedia.co.uk Travel guide > hotels flights and car hire to ...
... the Crescent City Overlook and the Klamath River Overlook. ... 20, 101, 80 and 89), Trinity
River Scenic Byway ([THIS ONE IS A BYWAY, but the point is already proven: ] Route ... last minute deals on hotels at Expedia.co.uk. ...
www.expedia.co.uk/daily/wg/P44126.asp - 34k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.expedia.co.uk ]
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Note added at 2003-07-14 04:30:40 (GMT)
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This is the term used in tourism texts and it is marked along the roads too...
One stop at a popular Grand Canyon South Rim scenic overlook. · Guided
tour of Monument Valley with multiple stops for scenic views. ...
www.scenicairlines.co.uk/tours/LM2.html - 37k - Cached - Similar pages [UK SITE]
www.scenicairlines.co.uk
... Complimentary hotel pick-up and drop-off. · Bus excursion with guide.
· West Rim scenic overlook.[ANOTHER!!] · Air-conditioned passenger aircraft. ...
www.scenicairlines.co.uk/tours/LI1.html - 36k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.scenicairlines.co.uk ]
Expedia.co.uk Slide Shows: Woodland wonders
... A worthwhile (and well-paved) side trip off the Kancamagus Highway is Bear Notch
Road, which heralds a scenic overlook of a river valley ablaze with autumn ...
www.expedia.co.uk/daily/slideshow/NewEngland/7.asp - 25k - Cached - Similar pages
Expedia.co.uk Travel guide > hotels flights and car hire to ...
... the Crescent City Overlook and the Klamath River Overlook. ... 20, 101, 80 and 89), Trinity
River Scenic Byway ([THIS ONE IS A BYWAY, but the point is already proven: ] Route ... last minute deals on hotels at Expedia.co.uk. ...
www.expedia.co.uk/daily/wg/P44126.asp - 34k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.expedia.co.uk ]
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This is the term used in tourism texts and it is marked along the roads too...
Peer comment(s):
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Christopher Crockett
: "Scenic overlook" works in Southern Indiana, too.
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Peter McCavana
: I agree with Dusty: it's not enough that the references you cite say UK in the Internet address. They may be UK-based sites, but they're using "local" vocabulary. Web hits shouldn't always be taken at face value as "Bible". There's more to it than that.
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viewing point over the valley
A place which is designated as being the place where you go to get a good view is generally called a 'viewing point' (even if it says 'viewpoint' on the maps!- to me that sounds a bit like an abbreviation for the map key to make it sound succinct).
Peer comment(s):
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Peter McCavana
: In fact, I'd prefer something in between your suggestion & Dusty's: viewpoint looking over the valley
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1 day 10 hrs
Monica Alves
Native in English
" 20+ years experience in translation"
Native in: Portuguese , English
Works in: Portuguese to English, Italian to English, French to English, and 6 more.
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39
Panorama over the valley
I'm just being wicked here.... to keep the discussion going. But Panorama is a common term in the UK (Dusty?)
Peer comment(s):
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Peter McCavana
: Panorama is a common term in the UK. Apart from being the name of a famous TV programme, it means a complete/unbroken/wide view, whereas "point de vue" is the _place_ from where a view is seen. I'm amazed how so many people have missed this simple point!
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