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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

par préciput et hors part

English translation:

by preference and beyond his share

Added to glossary by cc in nyc
Oct 29, 2010 00:50
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French term

par préciput et hors part

French to English Law/Patents Law (general) wills, inheritance
Part of phrase: "Je lègue par préciput et hors part à mon épouse..."
Proposed translations (English)
4 by preference and beyond his share
References
Previous Kudoz question
some of info found on www
Change log

Oct 29, 2010 01:37: Tony M changed "Field (specific)" from "Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs" to "Law (general)"

Nov 29, 2010 15:43: cc in nyc Created KOG entry

Discussion

Adrian MM. (X) Oct 30, 2010:
Writeaway Right Writeaway, except the English succession terms of advancement and hotchpot (set-off) are not actually used in the EN quotes, even by the most eminent and distinguished Jacques B.
writeaway Oct 30, 2010:
@Tom covered in the ref I posted (and found on the www)
Adrian MM. (X) Oct 30, 2010:
Consider advancements and hotchpot My take as a ProZ non-member: 'as an advancement {over and above a beneficiary's share} and not to be brought into hotchpot'. The question needs to be thrown open if I'm to explain an advancement and hotchpot (note spelling). And I agree with Fourth about the obscurity of the last answer accepted.
IATE: FR à titre de préciput et hors part
EN portion devolved in advance upon a heir over and above his equal share with the others
Jack Dunwell Oct 29, 2010:
This is not an entirely valuable discussion The existing proz reference is not very good, is it? Bridge gives "in addition to the heir's share of the estate" Which moves us forward and improves the existing situation. I think that it is useful to be generous and inclusive.
Tony M Oct 29, 2010:
Thanks, Phil ...but here is not the appropriate place to discuss this matter.
philgoddard Oct 29, 2010:
Tony: I wish moderators would invoke this rule more often - I don't remember ever seeing it cited before.

Proposed translations

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by preference and beyond his share

Link is from the Civil Code of the Province of Quebec (1904), § 712
Reference:

http://books.google.com/books?id=BPc1AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA575&lpg=PA575&dq=%22+par+préciput+et+hors+part%22+english&source=bl&ots=kv5_awqzt6&sig=Q

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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you!"

Reference comments

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Reference:

Previous Kudoz question

Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Tony M : Hear, hear!
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Reference:

some of info found on www

DICTIONNAIRE JURIDIQUE - DEFINITION DE PRECIPUT
Définition de Préciput

Le mot préciput a été supprimé de l'article 843 du Code civil par la Loi n° 2006-728 du 23 juin 2006 portant réforme des successions et des libéralités et à l’article 844, les mots : « par préciput » ont été remplacés par les mots : "hors-part-successorale". L'adjectif est "préciputaires"
http://www.dictionnaire-juridique.com/definition/preciput.ph...

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Préciput

La donation simple, devant notaire, peut être faite en avancement d'hoirie - en avance sur la part de succession - ou par préciput et hors part, c'est à dire en avantageant un héritier.
http://www.notretemps.com/votre-argent/1600178-donation-quel...

La donation par préciput et hors part

[PDF]
Introduction Introduction by Jacques Bouineau translation by ...
the eldest par préciput et hors part [over and above his equal share] with his co-heirs. This facility accorded to the nobility, who did not make excessive ...
www.culturesfrance.com/adpf-publi/folio/textes/codecivil_en...
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Tony M : Good research!
5 mins
thanks- and I agree with Phil.......
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