Sep 7, 2010 07:46
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German term
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Außenseite
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Der Abstand zwischen Rand und Text beträgt an den Ausenseiten immer 5 mm.
There is a typo in the original text. The text is dealing with instructions to a printer for a booklet.
"Gestaltung - Grundaufbau für Heft-Bedienungsanleitungen"
I have already dealt with the "Umschlagrückseite" and "Umschlagvorderseite" and this direction is now given on Page 3 which is on the right hand side, opposite Page 2. There are also Pages 4 and 5 and then "Folgeseite" which I take to be "following or subsequent pages"
There is a typo in the original text. The text is dealing with instructions to a printer for a booklet.
"Gestaltung - Grundaufbau für Heft-Bedienungsanleitungen"
I have already dealt with the "Umschlagrückseite" and "Umschlagvorderseite" and this direction is now given on Page 3 which is on the right hand side, opposite Page 2. There are also Pages 4 and 5 and then "Folgeseite" which I take to be "following or subsequent pages"
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 -1 | from the non-binding edge |
Reinhold Wehrmann
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| 3 | outer margin |
gangels (X)
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| 3 | fore edge |
szkott
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Change log
Sep 7, 2010 07:50: Ingo Dierkschnieder changed "Term asked" from "Aussenseite" to "Außenseite"
Proposed translations
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German term (edited):
Aussenseite
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from the non-binding edge
Also von der Außenkannte - nicht vom Buchrücken. Ist leider etwas umständlich zu formulieren in EN.
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Yes, certainly!
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Note added at 17 mins (2010-09-07 08:03:59 GMT)
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I assume that even though it is a folded booklet, it will still be stapled, which is a form of binding. So, it's your choice, really!
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Note added at 12 mins (2010-09-07 07:58:34 GMT)
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Yes, certainly!
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Note added at 17 mins (2010-09-07 08:03:59 GMT)
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I assume that even though it is a folded booklet, it will still be stapled, which is a form of binding. So, it's your choice, really!
Note from asker:
| As this is a folded booklet, would "non-folded edge" be appropriate? |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
szkott
: "non-folded edge" is not descriptive enough, in my opinion. The edge "opposite the fold" or "opposite the binding" is more accurate, because the top and bottom edges are also "non-folded".
2 days 2 hrs
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| disagree |
gangels (X)
: From the non-BOUND edge, if at all. The outer edge of a book is simply "the trim". What you say is that the edge "klemmt".
2 days 6 hrs
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fore edge
This is the standard printer's terminology for it.
Der Abstand zwischen Rand und Text beträgt an den Ausenseiten immer 5 mm.
The outer margin should always be 5 mm.
What I don't understand is "Rand" here. I thought Rand meant margin in this kind of context, but here they're using it like edge. There's no space between the margin and the text - it's like the space "Between the salt water and the sea strand"...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-09-07 11:45:48 GMT)
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Noun 1. fore edge - the part of a book that faces inward when the book is shelved; the part opposite the spine
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Note added at 2 days2 hrs (2010-09-09 10:12:50 GMT)
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Der Abstand zwischen Rand und Text beträgt an den Ausenseiten immer 5 mm. = The outer margin should always be 5 mm.
In other words, it's not really necessary to use "Aussenseite" in English as this is covered already in the word "outer" in "outer margin". I could also translate it like this:
The outer margin on the fore edge must always be 5 mm. (however, it is somewhat redundant!)
Der Abstand zwischen Rand und Text beträgt an den Ausenseiten immer 5 mm.
The outer margin should always be 5 mm.
What I don't understand is "Rand" here. I thought Rand meant margin in this kind of context, but here they're using it like edge. There's no space between the margin and the text - it's like the space "Between the salt water and the sea strand"...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-09-07 11:45:48 GMT)
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Noun 1. fore edge - the part of a book that faces inward when the book is shelved; the part opposite the spine
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Note added at 2 days2 hrs (2010-09-09 10:12:50 GMT)
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Der Abstand zwischen Rand und Text beträgt an den Ausenseiten immer 5 mm. = The outer margin should always be 5 mm.
In other words, it's not really necessary to use "Aussenseite" in English as this is covered already in the word "outer" in "outer margin". I could also translate it like this:
The outer margin on the fore edge must always be 5 mm. (however, it is somewhat redundant!)
Example sentence:
Trimming involves cutting approximately 1/8” off top, bottom and fore-edge (the edge opposite to the spine) as part of the binding process in order to remove the folds so that the pages can be opened.
Discussion
Do you know if there a standard way to solve this problem in InDesign? I've noticed that "booklet printing" on our printer doesn't solve this problem - and there's no way to specifiy numer of leaves grouped per fold. I'm guessing this is solved by the major printing companies, since I've never actually had to think about it when sending in my finished pdf. I've never had to specify, "make sure the outer margins are 5mm" or anything like that...
You've definitely got the idea right. I'm not sure, but "column" usually implies text to me. I think it's the width of the "outer margin" that's concerned here. That is, if I've got the context right. There's practically no context, so I can't be very sure.
The distance from the outer edge of the column of text to the outer edge of the book must always be 5 mm. Or simply put: "5 mm outer margin, please."