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gear heads
May 3, 2008 17:48
16 yrs ago
English term

the "I guerrieri",

English Art/Literary Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting exhibition catalog
When the title of a work to be left in the original language begins with "the" in that language, do we write "the" before it? It translates into "the the" basically, if we do.
Responses
3 yes (The Warriors)
3 +3 No "the"

Discussion

BrettMN May 4, 2008:
Sorry for the many notes on this. That wasn't the link I intended; this is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Judgment_(Michelangelo...
The point being that there are not many examples to address your question; most art names are translated in full
BrettMN May 4, 2008:
I tried to find any example of an untranslated Italian work that began with the equivalent of "the," to see how it is treated, but English-speakers have a habit of translating all art titles into English. See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Judgment
BrettMN May 4, 2008:
descriptive phrase in front of it, something like "the 17th-century Florentine painting 'I Guerrieri.'" Putting the "the" in front of the name with no description to me indicates that it is something very well known, like the Mona Lisa.
BrettMN May 4, 2008:
Your question below is a really good one. If the name is kept in Italian, you might be able to keep the "the". We do say, for example, "the Mona Lisa." However, because the painting "I Guerrieri" is not as widely known, I would suggest adding a

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yes (The Warriors)

Maybe I'm not understanding your question, but "I Guerrieri" would be translated as "The Warriors." If a language has articles in it ("the," "a" in English), those articles are usually kept in the English translation, also. "The the" doesn't make sense in English, so unless the equivalent also looks strange in the original language, I'd take out one of the "the"s.

I hope this helps. Maybe I don't understand what you're asking.

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Note added at 5 hrs (2008-05-03 23:31:33 GMT)
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I think I understand your question a bit better. You're asking do you put a "the" in front of a title that is translated as "The _____."

No, definitely not. You could say "the movie 'The Warriors'", but "the 'The Warriors' is incorrect, so in that sense I agree with Armorel Young's answer.
Note from asker:
The name of the painting has to be left in Italian, and the It. title contains the equivalent of "the" (i=pulural the). Don't know if this is clearer. Example: can I write "The artist painted the "I Guerrieri" in..." or should I write "the artist painted "I Guerrieri"?
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+3
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No "the"

My instinct is definitely to leave it out - but it would help if you could give a whole sentence from the text you are dealing with.
Note from asker:
The name of the painting has to be left in Italian, and the It. title contains the equivalent of "the" (i=pulural the). Don't know if this is clearer. Example: can I write "The artist painted the "I Guerrieri" in..." or should I write "the artist painted "I Guerrieri"?
Peer comment(s):
agree David Moore (X)
10 hrs
agree Ulrike Kraemer
12 hrs
agree Magdalena Wysmyk
15 hrs
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