Dec 31, 2007 00:44
16 yrs ago
English term

24 boots

English Tech/Engineering Other
World Book Encyclopedia put a submarine over there /Loch Ness/, spent a fortune bringing a submarine, from Georgia or South Carolina, took it over there put it in the water.
The guy went down in the sub and said, The bottom looks like a raisin, it's wrinkled up, and there are many places to hide. And I'm sure Nessie heard 24 boots coming down the lake. You know, sound travels very good under water.

What is the "24 boots" here?

Discussion

Andrew Stanleyson Dec 31, 2007:
a co z naszą kreatywnością, allp, musimy napisać inną historię, dobrze się zapowiadało. Happy New Year to all.
allp (asker) Dec 31, 2007:
Thanks a lot, everybody, and happy New Year!
Polangmar Dec 31, 2007:
...by a non-native speaker.:)
allp (asker) Dec 31, 2007:
it's a lecture written down
Polangmar Dec 31, 2007:
allp, not for me - for those who don't speak Polish.:)))
allp (asker) Dec 31, 2007:
Polangmar Dec 31, 2007:
Could you give more information about the source of the text?:)
allp (asker) Dec 31, 2007:
:) no, I'm not. Thanks for your help and happy New Year :))
Paula Vaz-Carreiro Dec 31, 2007:
allp: um... I don't think it is 24 boAts, however, it is late and I am tired. I'll come back to this tomorrow. Hope you are not in a great hurry :-)
allp (asker) Dec 31, 2007:
anyway, the operation with the submarine was real
allp (asker) Dec 31, 2007:
frankly, I didn't know how to label this question, but I thought it might have something to do with the submarine itself
Jennifer Levey Dec 31, 2007:
Why is this classified as 'Tech/Engineering? Shouldn't it be 'Mythology'?
allp (asker) Dec 31, 2007:
There's also this:
Comments: i was a torpedoman tm2, i worked with the 24 boots at key west fl.testing a new weapon in the 1950's
Name and # of Boat if USN: uss bushnell as15 sub tender uss gillmore as16 sub tender
http://tiny.pl/pdml
I've no idea if this could be of any help, though
Ali Bayraktar Dec 31, 2007:
We have in Turkish such idioms, especially describing soldiers, because they step loudly.
Paula Vaz-Carreiro Dec 31, 2007:
allp: I can't find any reference anywhere, let alone anything that indicates that it is an idiom.
Paula Vaz-Carreiro Dec 31, 2007:
To be honest, I don't know if it is a idiom. I think that a group of 12 people might stand for some kind of troop formation or policemen formation but I don't know for sure.
allp (asker) Dec 31, 2007:
Is it some idiom? I couldn't find it anywhere.

Responses

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24 boats

I agree with mediamatrix that it's going to be 24 boats, but I have some more information and I could not fit it all into the space below his response, so I'm just going to post it here.

There was a search conducted for Nessie in 1969 that was sponsored by the World Book Encyclopaedia, and that was a sonar scan proposed by Andrew Carroll. I do not know how many boats were used in that operation, but later, in 1987, during "operation deepscan", 24 boats were used, and it's the same method, sonar scan operation. It could be that
A) there were 24 boats in the 1969 search as well, although I doubt it, since the 1987 one was "by far the largest and most intense search" to that date, or
B) your lecture shortens the story a bit, confusing details that are not that important in the story at the moment (talking about the search sponsored by the World Book Encyclopaedia and the search with 24 boats as if they were referring to the same event, after all, they were both sonar studies). This would be my guess.

Here are the references that I found:

"Andrew Carroll's sonar study (1969)
In 1969 Andrew Carroll, field researcher for the New York Aquarium in New York City, proposed a mobile sonar scan operation at Loch Ness. The project was funded by the Griffis foundation (named for Nixon Griffis, then a director of the aquarium). "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch_Ness_Monster

"It was decided to go ahead with Operation Deepscan the following year. So on October the 9th 1987 started the largest sonar sweep of any fresh water loch anywhere in the world.
The boats again supplied by caley cruises met at the New Clansman Hotel. As well as the 24 boats that were to take part in the operation"

http://www.nessie.co.uk/htm/searching_for_nessie/deepscan.ht...

Also see:

"So instead they put boats all the way across the top of the lake and they called it Operation "Deepscan". And they scanned the bottom of Loch Ness. As far as anybody knows, that’s the first time there has been a sonar scan of the lake bottom. They said the bottom of the lake is wrinkled up like a raisin. Lots of places to hide. I’ve got a map from Scotland. A map of Loch Ness. There were caves going off to the side also of Loch Ness. Lots of places to hide. ***I’m sure the critter heard 24 boats coming down the lake and said, time to go someplace.***"

http://jcsm.org/Creation/Hovind/seminar_part3b.html
Peer comment(s):

agree Bernhard Sulzer : your last link makes it clear. Nice research! :-)
3 hrs
Thank you. :)
agree Jack Doughty
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Thank you.
agree Jennifer Levey : Well done!
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Thank you.
agree zsuzsa369 (X) : Indisputable evidence!
9 hrs
Thank you.
agree Andrew Stanleyson : cała nasza dobrze rozpoczęta historia, głównie allp i ja, na nic! Po prostu "boats"
9 hrs
Thank you.
agree Polangmar : Yeah.:)
10 hrs
Thank you.
agree orientalhorizon
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agree Alfa Trans (X)
2 days 10 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Great job, Kornelia. Your research fully deserves the points. Thanks a lot!"
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a group of 12 people

A group of 12 people marching/walking towards him so he hid.

Of course, this group is a metaphor for the submarine that they brought over and which probably made a lot of noise.

HTH


Peer comment(s):

neutral Polangmar : Did the group march under water?:) Or, more seriously, could you explain the kind of metaphor?:) || Did you know this metaphor or are you now creating a theory to fit the text?:)
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I know it sounds strange to foreign ears but it is a metaphor.The sub. made so much noise that it was as if a group of people was walking on the lake bed. So Nessie sneaked off to one of the many hiding places on the lake bed which looked like a raisin.
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24-foot sub(mersible/marine)

Earlier submersible work had yielded dismal results. Under the sponsorship of World Book Encyclopedia, pilot Dan Taylor deployed the Viperfish at Loch Ness on 1 June 1969. His dives were plagued by technical problems and produced no new data.
http://tinyurl.com/2pvg6a

He did odd jobs while working on the Viperfish, a 22-foot, one-man submersible that weighed 3,500 pounds.
http://tinyurl.com/2zx5gk

There are probably a few mistakes and omissions in the text (one of them being 24 instead of 22?).
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23 mins

please get the accent right...

In 'English as spoken by many Scots', the word 'boat' is virtually indistinguishible from 'boot'.

I'm sure Nessie heard 24 boots coming down the lake
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I'm sure Nessie heard 24 boAts coming down the lake

Now, would *you* be happy to have 24 (gun)boats bearing down upon you as you're eating breakfast?
Note from asker:
this was my first idea too. However, I have no evidence that there were 24 boats used in the operation.
Peer comment(s):

agree Kornelia Robertson : I agree that it's going to be 24 boats, but I can't fit the information I found in this space so I am posting it as a separate answer.
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