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Schwund

English translation: page creep/shingling

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German term or phrase:Schwund
English translation:page creep/shingling
Entered by: Languageman

20:24 Aug 14, 2007
German to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Printing & Publishing / Document binding
German term or phrase: Schwund
The client very helpfully provides a detailed explanation of the term, but I've failed to find the English printer's term for this (I guess there is one).
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Berücksichtigen Sie bitte den bei mehrseitigen Booklets entstehenden technisch bedingten Schwund. Dies bedeutet, dass die inneren Seiten beim Falzen nach außen getrieben werden, und somit die Bildinhalte um 0,25 mm pro Seite eingerückt werden müssen, um ein Verschneiden zu vermeiden.
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They even published the whole document online, if you would like more context (including a diagram). Page 11, Section 5.5 - http://www.cinram.de/de/uploads/media/Spezifikation_Druckere...

TIA,

Stephen
Languageman
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:36
page creep/shingling
Explanation:
I always thought that "Schwund" was the tail wiggling the dog - the outer pages are too short, not the inner pages too long.

Anyhow, here's a quote from the link below:

Figure 3.20 Paper thickness causes edges of pages to creep outward during binding. When the finished pages are trimmed, artwork on the inner pages will be closer to the trim edge.

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The fix? To maintain a consistent outer margin despite the page creep, the page content must be shifted incrementally to compensate, a process known as shingling. The closer a page is to the center of the magazine, the more content must be moved very slightly inward.
Selected response from:

Klaus Herrmann
Germany
Local time: 20:36
Grading comment
Thanks very much, a great help. I used 'page creep' here in preference to 'shingling', as from what I could establish 'shingling' is the solution to the problem of 'page creep'.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +3page creep/shingling
Klaus Herrmann
2 +2waste/wastage
Jonathan MacKerron


Discussion entries: 2





  

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1 min   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): +2
waste/wastage


Explanation:
is how I see it

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Note added at 2 mins (2007-08-14 20:27:04 GMT)
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perhaps "loss" here?

Jonathan MacKerron
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 29
Notes to answerer
Asker: That was quick, thanks for the suggestion.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Stephen Sadie: with loss
21 mins
agree  Susan Zimmer: waste, see also Pollution Prevention in the Printing Industry www.p2pays.org/ref/03/02453
37 mins
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44 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
page creep/shingling


Explanation:
I always thought that "Schwund" was the tail wiggling the dog - the outer pages are too short, not the inner pages too long.

Anyhow, here's a quote from the link below:

Figure 3.20 Paper thickness causes edges of pages to creep outward during binding. When the finished pages are trimmed, artwork on the inner pages will be closer to the trim edge.

...

The fix? To maintain a consistent outer margin despite the page creep, the page content must be shifted incrementally to compensate, a process known as shingling. The closer a page is to the center of the magazine, the more content must be moved very slightly inward.


    Reference: http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=674202&seqNu...
Klaus Herrmann
Germany
Local time: 20:36
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 266
Grading comment
Thanks very much, a great help. I used 'page creep' here in preference to 'shingling', as from what I could establish 'shingling' is the solution to the problem of 'page creep'.
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you, looks like what I was looking for.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Nicole Schnell: Yep.
55 mins
  -> Buona sera :)
agree  Textklick: Yes, this rings a loud bell. I was going to pitch for page creep in the vain hope that you would be snoring by now.
1 hr
agree  Lori Dendy-Molz: Also 'creep allowance' - but I think 'page creep' is better here
8 hrs
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