Jun 14, 2005 20:41
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коньяк
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cognac and brandy, which is it?
I'm having a debate with a friend about the translation of "армянский коньяк" (речь о марке "Арарат"), у меня бутылка стоит не экспортная так что посмотреть не могу.
so cognac or brandy?
Как и в прошлый раз не говорю кто за что! :)
so cognac or brandy?
Как и в прошлый раз не говорю кто за что! :)
Proposed translations
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| 4 +10 | brandy |
Elena Ivaniushina
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| 4 +5 | cognac |
Andrey Belousov (X)
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| 3 +2 | Armenian brandy |
Adam Lankamer
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| 4 +1 | Strictly speaking, Brandy. Drink it down - you won't care what it's called! |
Jack slep
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| 5 | not for grading |
Sergei Tumanov
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Proposed translations
+10
5 mins
Elena Ivaniushina
Russian Federation
Russian Federation
Native in Russian
Russian Federation
En-Ru: Biology, Medicine, Localization
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian
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Russian term (edited):
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brandy
brandy - более общий термин.
Cognac - *только* для коньяков, производимых в области Cognac.
См.:
Поиск в Google: define: cognac
"# Dry spirit distilled from wine and, strictly speaking, produced in the Cognac region of France. Other good-quality dry wine-based brandies may be substituted.
www.d.umn.edu/~alphanu/cookery/glossary_food.html
# A premium brandy produced only in a 150,000 acre area surrounding the city of Cognac in southwest France.
www.chowbaby.com/10_2000/glossary/glossary.asp"
http://www.google.ru/search?q=define: cognac&sourceid=mozill...
Brandy (short for brandywine, from Dutch brandewijn—burnt wine) is a general term for distilled wine, usually 40–60% ethyl alcohol by volume. In addition to wine, this spirit can also be made from grape pomace or fermented fruit juice. Unless specified otherwise, brandy is made from grape wine.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandy
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Поиск в Google: define: cognac
\"Cognac (IPA: [k*n\'jæk] where * is ɒ, oʊ, ɑ:, or ɔ:), named after the city in France, is a kind of brandy, which must be produced in the region around the town of Cognac and aged in oak barrels in order to be called cognac.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognac_(drink)\"
Cognac - *только* для коньяков, производимых в области Cognac.
См.:
Поиск в Google: define: cognac
"# Dry spirit distilled from wine and, strictly speaking, produced in the Cognac region of France. Other good-quality dry wine-based brandies may be substituted.
www.d.umn.edu/~alphanu/cookery/glossary_food.html
# A premium brandy produced only in a 150,000 acre area surrounding the city of Cognac in southwest France.
www.chowbaby.com/10_2000/glossary/glossary.asp"
http://www.google.ru/search?q=define: cognac&sourceid=mozill...
Brandy (short for brandywine, from Dutch brandewijn—burnt wine) is a general term for distilled wine, usually 40–60% ethyl alcohol by volume. In addition to wine, this spirit can also be made from grape pomace or fermented fruit juice. Unless specified otherwise, brandy is made from grape wine.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandy
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Note added at 6 mins (2005-06-14 20:47:58 GMT)
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Поиск в Google: define: cognac
\"Cognac (IPA: [k*n\'jæk] where * is ɒ, oʊ, ɑ:, or ɔ:), named after the city in France, is a kind of brandy, which must be produced in the region around the town of Cognac and aged in oak barrels in order to be called cognac.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognac_(drink)\"
Peer comment(s):
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katzurki
: hear hear
2 mins
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спасибо :)
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Simon Gregory
: No doubts. Other ways your client has a risk to be sued for trade a mark fraud. Try to image its next step.
49 mins
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exactly - thank you for emphasizing this point
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Nina Tchernova
4 hrs
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спасибо :)
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Jack slep
: The French can have their cognac - three cheers for Armenian Brandy!!
4 hrs
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спасибо :)
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koundelev
: Пишем brandy , подразумеваем Cognac, особенно в отношении "Арарата"...
5 hrs
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спасибо :)
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Andrey Rykov
7 hrs
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спасибо :)
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Kirill Semenov
8 hrs
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спасибо :)
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Vladimir Dubisskiy
: Brandy и ничем не хуже (слово), чем Cognac. А на бутылке могут и Cognac написать, так же, как на Сов. шампанском Champagne.
10 hrs
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спасибо :) помнится, мои английские друзья были не в шутку шокированы, когда я как-то упомянула "Советское Шампанское"...
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tanyazst
10 hrs
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спасибо :)
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Irina Romanova-Wasike
18 hrs
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спасибо :)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
+2
3 mins
Adam Lankamer
Poland
Poland
Poland
Financial, Legal and Patent Translation
Native in: Polish 
Works in: English to Polish, Polish to English, French to English, and 2 more.
Russian term (edited):
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Armenian brandy
brandy - http://tinyurl.com/87hw4
cognac - http://tinyurl.com/dszav
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From Wikipedia
If a brandy is produced that fails to meet any of the strict criteria set down by the \"governing body\" of cognac, the BNIC – Bureau National Interprofessionel du Cognac – may not be called cognac, nor sold as such.
* It must be produced within the delimited region, from wine using certain grape varieties;
* It must be obtained through double distillation, in typical Charentais stills;
* It must age in oak barrels, which give it its color and part of its taste.
cognac - http://tinyurl.com/dszav
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Note added at 11 mins (2005-06-14 20:52:36 GMT)
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From Wikipedia
If a brandy is produced that fails to meet any of the strict criteria set down by the \"governing body\" of cognac, the BNIC – Bureau National Interprofessionel du Cognac – may not be called cognac, nor sold as such.
* It must be produced within the delimited region, from wine using certain grape varieties;
* It must be obtained through double distillation, in typical Charentais stills;
* It must age in oak barrels, which give it its color and part of its taste.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Elena Ivaniushina
3 mins
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| agree |
Richard DiPrima (X)
: i've seen both. "cognac" resonates more truely with the original, but "brandy" is more commonly used, at least in the US
4 mins
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+5
2 mins
Russian term (edited):
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cognac
I'd stick with this
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http://www.agroforum.ru/AC/koniak_o19/opred.htm
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Note added at 23 mins (2005-06-14 21:04:03 GMT)
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http://www.agroforum.ru/AC/koniak_o19/opred.htm
Peer comment(s):
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Richard DiPrima (X)
: i've seen both. "cognac" resonates more truely with the original, but "brandy" is more commonly used, at least in the US
5 mins
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Thank you! :)
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Yuri Geifman
: I vote for cognac... this whole issue about cognac and brandy is nothing but a French marketing technique, and the Armenian aqua vita deserves the title in any case
3 hrs
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Thank you! :)
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Jack slep
: Yeah, with Yuri - stick it to the French! Anyway, it's shortened from "cognac brandy" made from cognac wine, so except for snob appeal, it makes no difference
4 hrs
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Thank you! :)
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Denis Kiselev
: /w Yuri. I hate all that fuss about prohibiting to use names like cognak, champagne, cahors ets. Wasn't that right given to (or at least deserved by) Russia in 1812? Wasn't it a part of the contribution? I thought so.
11 hrs
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Thank you! :)
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Stefan Balchev
: These 2 products have diferent production technologies :))
1 day 15 hrs
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Thank you! :)
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30 mins
Strictly speaking, Brandy. Drink it down - you won't care what it's called!
Kyiv Post. Ararat boasts being the Post's most toasted cognac
Cognac or brandy, it doesn't matter to Post readers who chose the Armenian brand Ararat as their favorite cognac (brandy) in Ukraine.
www.kyivpost.com/guide/readerspoll/20851/
Cognac or brandy, it doesn't matter to Post readers who chose the Armenian brand Ararat as their favorite cognac (brandy) in Ukraine.
www.kyivpost.com/guide/readerspoll/20851/
11 hrs
Sergei Tumanov
Native in Russian
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Works in: English to Russian, Spanish to Russian, Russian to English, and 2 more.
Russian term (edited):
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not for grading
отвлекаясь от всех прочих вещей и хочу осветить один важный момент. В тарифном руководстве 4М, где собраны правила перевозки разных грузов, есть также и правила первозки вин и коньячных спиртов наливом. В их общей части приводится также и краткое описание и классификация.
Так вот согласно этой классификации продукта:
бренди всегда продукт однократной перегонки
а коньяк всегда перегоняется дважды.
Это относится даже к бренди, изготовленному в провинции Коньяк. Там тоже есть именно бренди и именно коньяк с физическо-химической точки зрения.
про все остальное не распространяюс, поскольку не сомневаюсь в профессионализме остальных дискутантов/? дискутёров? участников дискуссии :-)
Так вот согласно этой классификации продукта:
бренди всегда продукт однократной перегонки
а коньяк всегда перегоняется дважды.
Это относится даже к бренди, изготовленному в провинции Коньяк. Там тоже есть именно бренди и именно коньяк с физическо-химической точки зрения.
про все остальное не распространяюс, поскольку не сомневаюсь в профессионализме остальных дискутантов/? дискутёров? участников дискуссии :-)
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