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Jun 7, 2005 13:43
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used to/would
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I'd like to know the subtle difference between the usage of above two terms.
When someone keeps on repeating something, which of the above two should be used. I mean if someone keeps doing something as a routine. For example:
He loved the children so much. He would meet them, would ask their names, would enquire about their hobbies.
AND
He loved the children so much. He used to meet them, used to ask their names, used to enquire about their hobbies.
Which is more appropriate here - would or used to. One more question - whether we should use would/used to once in the sentence in the beginning or it should be used in every clause?
Thank you.
When someone keeps on repeating something, which of the above two should be used. I mean if someone keeps doing something as a routine. For example:
He loved the children so much. He would meet them, would ask their names, would enquire about their hobbies.
AND
He loved the children so much. He used to meet them, used to ask their names, used to enquire about their hobbies.
Which is more appropriate here - would or used to. One more question - whether we should use would/used to once in the sentence in the beginning or it should be used in every clause?
Thank you.
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Jun 20, 2005 18:13: Kim Metzger changed "Field" from "Other" to "Art/Literary" , "Field (specific)" from "Other" to "Linguistics"
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would - past habits, etc.
Michael Swan, Practical English Usage: "Both 'would' and 'used to' can refer to past states. Compare:
When we were children we would/used to go skating every winter.
I used to have an old Rolls-Royce.
BUT NOT: I would have an old Roll-Royce.
Would: past habits. Would is used as the past of will to talk about past habits and typical characteristics.
When she was old, she would sit in the corner talking to herself for hours.
Sometimes she would bring me little presents without saying why.
Sentences with stressed 'would' can be used to criticise people's behaviour.
He was a nice boy, but he WOULD talk about himself all the time.
Stressed 'would' can also be used to criticise a single past action – the meaning is 'that's typical of you.'
You WOULD tell Mary about the party – I didn't want to invite her.
When we were children we would/used to go skating every winter.
I used to have an old Rolls-Royce.
BUT NOT: I would have an old Roll-Royce.
Would: past habits. Would is used as the past of will to talk about past habits and typical characteristics.
When she was old, she would sit in the corner talking to herself for hours.
Sometimes she would bring me little presents without saying why.
Sentences with stressed 'would' can be used to criticise people's behaviour.
He was a nice boy, but he WOULD talk about himself all the time.
Stressed 'would' can also be used to criticise a single past action – the meaning is 'that's typical of you.'
You WOULD tell Mary about the party – I didn't want to invite her.
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used to/would
used to-action that was accurate once but is not true at this time (e.g.: "Her parents used to live in Europe and now they live in the USA")
would v. helping verb for use in a question, request or expression of desire (used to make the statement more polite)
would v. helping verb for use in a question, request or expression of desire (used to make the statement more polite)
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either
In my opinion (as a non-native English speaker!), I'd say either of them would work, but I believe there is a subtle difference, which makes the word "would" sound somehow better in your sentence. To me, it implies that these things that he did were very typical of him - he would meet them, ask their names, enquire about their hobbies - these are the things that were very characteristic of him, even if he only did them a few times.
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Oh yes, and I would only use the expression \"he would\" once at the beginning of the sentence.
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I just tried to google for \"used to or would\" and found this useful information on: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/le... :
would or used to?
When we are telling a story and recollecting an event from long ago, we often prefer to use would to describe repeated behaviour in the past, although both would and used to are possible:
Do you remember what we used to get up to when we were teenagers? How I would wait for you nearly every afternoon after school and then we would stroll home together across the park, holding hands, and you would feed the ducks on the pond while I had a cigarette?
Note that would in this sense describes past events and actions. It cannot be used to refer to past states. To describe past states we can only use used to:
I used to live in that house over there.
(NOT: I would live in that house over there.)
I used to own a 1966 Silver Cloud Rolls Royce.
(NOT I would own a 1966 Silver Cloud Rolls Royce.)
I used sometimes to drive to work in it.
I would sometimes drive to work in it.
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Note added at 10 mins (2005-06-07 13:54:33 GMT)
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Oh yes, and I would only use the expression \"he would\" once at the beginning of the sentence.
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Note added at 12 mins (2005-06-07 13:56:57 GMT)
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I just tried to google for \"used to or would\" and found this useful information on: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/le... :
would or used to?
When we are telling a story and recollecting an event from long ago, we often prefer to use would to describe repeated behaviour in the past, although both would and used to are possible:
Do you remember what we used to get up to when we were teenagers? How I would wait for you nearly every afternoon after school and then we would stroll home together across the park, holding hands, and you would feed the ducks on the pond while I had a cigarette?
Note that would in this sense describes past events and actions. It cannot be used to refer to past states. To describe past states we can only use used to:
I used to live in that house over there.
(NOT: I would live in that house over there.)
I used to own a 1966 Silver Cloud Rolls Royce.
(NOT I would own a 1966 Silver Cloud Rolls Royce.)
I used sometimes to drive to work in it.
I would sometimes drive to work in it.
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"would" more informal
...I would say. In casual speech, it might sound a bit stiff to say "We used to do such-and-so"-- I think "We'd [we would] always do such-and-so" is more natural and would be my first choice in casual speech.
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states and behaviors
Both "used to" and "would" can be used to talk about repeated events and actions in the past:
- My grandfather used to/would walk five kilometers each morning.
- She would/used to bake a big chocolate cake every Sunday.
If you want to talk about STATES OR CONDITIONS in the past, you must use "used to":
- He used to be a baker (NOT He would be
- My grandfather used to/would walk five kilometers each morning.
- She would/used to bake a big chocolate cake every Sunday.
If you want to talk about STATES OR CONDITIONS in the past, you must use "used to":
- He used to be a baker (NOT He would be
Peer comment(s):
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sergey (X)
: i think the asker is trying to find out if there are any subtle differences between the two. your posting suggests that there aren't any.
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used to - regular and important habitual behaviour / would - typical behaviour in the past
compare
used to - regular and important habitual behaviour:
e.g.
robert used to play a lot of football. (not - robert would play ...)
i used to smoke. (not - i would smoke)
would - typical behaviour in the past:
e.g.
on sundays when i was a child we would all get up early and go fishing.
(please note that 'would' is used only once)
NEW 3rd edition of 'practical english usage', michael swan, oxford uni press 2005.
i believe in your case it's typical behaviour in the past, therefore i would say 'would' and probably once.
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i think the slight difference you are after lies in the slight nuances in the meanings of the words \'habitual\' and \'typical\'.
although, in many cases, \'used to / would\' are totally interchangeable and can refer to repeated actions and events in the past, \'used to\' is used to talk about regular and habitual behaviour as i have mentioned, to the point of describing sb\'s state:
he used to smoke = he was a smoker
yes, i like my NEW 3rd edition of \'practical english usage\' by m. swan, because the explanations are so much clearer. the 1st edition is being recycled and the 2nd one was given away.
used to - regular and important habitual behaviour:
e.g.
robert used to play a lot of football. (not - robert would play ...)
i used to smoke. (not - i would smoke)
would - typical behaviour in the past:
e.g.
on sundays when i was a child we would all get up early and go fishing.
(please note that 'would' is used only once)
NEW 3rd edition of 'practical english usage', michael swan, oxford uni press 2005.
i believe in your case it's typical behaviour in the past, therefore i would say 'would' and probably once.
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Note added at 1 day 19 hrs 21 mins (2005-06-09 09:05:11 GMT)
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i think the slight difference you are after lies in the slight nuances in the meanings of the words \'habitual\' and \'typical\'.
although, in many cases, \'used to / would\' are totally interchangeable and can refer to repeated actions and events in the past, \'used to\' is used to talk about regular and habitual behaviour as i have mentioned, to the point of describing sb\'s state:
he used to smoke = he was a smoker
yes, i like my NEW 3rd edition of \'practical english usage\' by m. swan, because the explanations are so much clearer. the 1st edition is being recycled and the 2nd one was given away.
Peer comment(s):
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aira07
: habitual and typical are synonomous + please don't get hostile if you are only quoting someone else's words. If you would like, you are free to contact Mr. Swan so that you can buy a 4th edition.
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oh? write to m. swan then and express your dissatisfaction to him, so there will be 4th edition soon ... +++ please don't get personal!!! i regret that the word 'hostile' is so active in your vocabulary and suggest you look it up in a good dictionary
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Refugio
: you are right but there is no contradiction between what you say and what Kim said over an hour earlier//LWhy neutral? Because Kim said it first.
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if i am right, why neutral? disagreeing with kim would be contradicting. and yes, i believe the explanation in the new edition is much clearer, besides 1st edition was in 1985, and english is not latin - it does change
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