Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Turkish term or phrase:
kuruş kalıbı; sikke kalıbı
English translation:
coin matrix
Added to glossary by
Özden Arıkan
Jan 27, 2004 02:05
20 yrs ago
Turkish term
kuyumcu topragi
Turkish to English
Art/Literary
Archaeology
sikke / coins
This specific ingredient was used in the Ottoman times for producing coins I believe.
Proposed translations
(English)
1 | boraks ??? | Özden Arıkan |
5 | Goldsmith Soil | Salih YILDIRIM |
Change log
Apr 18, 2005 06:43: Özden Arıkan changed "Field (specific)" from "(none)" to "History"
Apr 18, 2005 06:43: Özden Arıkan changed "Field" from "Art/Literary" to "Other" , "Field (specific)" from "History" to "Archaeology"
Nov 13, 2006 07:42: Özden Arıkan changed "Field" from "Other" to "Art/Literary" , "Field (write-in)" from "(none)" to "sikke / coins"
Proposed translations
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Selected
boraks ???
kuyumcu toprağı literally is "jeweller's earth", but dictionaries and internet search come up with nothing. if what's meant is "kuyumcu tozu" (jeweller's powder) then it is borax (=boraks in turkish). but it will be very helpful if you provide more context, at least the whole sentence.
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Note added at 17 hrs 32 mins (2004-01-27 19:38:00 GMT)
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you\'re not wrong about the coin matrix, \"die\" can also be used, though, pls check the following link:
http://www.bartleby.com/65/di/die.html
on a second thought, \"kalıp\" doesn\'t specify whether it\'s male or female, but the concept is closer to female=matrix, of course.
as for \"kuyumcu toprağı\"... no success yet, sorry :(
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Note added at 1 day 6 hrs 40 mins (2004-01-28 08:45:43 GMT)
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I\'m not sure, but I **might** have gotten it. Please check the link below:
http://www.biltek.tubitak.gov.tr/dergi/97/mayis/caglarin2.ht...
where we learn that fine-grained sand is used to polish or burnish coin surfaces - albeit, in 2500 BC, but chances are the essential techniques have remained the same (\"Bazı eserlerin üzerindeki ince çizgilerden perdahlamanın ince kumla yapıldığı anlaşılmaktadır\" and further down, \"İnce kumla perdah yapıldıktan sonra en son perdah için akiğin de kullanılmış olabileceği belirtilmektedir\").
I reached to this link googling with the keywords \"sikke yapımı\", however, come up with only this one link, unfortunately. But now it makes more sense that 1) your English word should be \"goldsmith\" but not \"jeweller\" 2) \"sand\" is probably more appropriate to use than \"earth\".
One should be cautious of one thing, though: \"bir miktar kuyumcu toprağı bulundu\" may suggest a particular type of sand, or (still)chemical powder ?? used in coin manufacture. (Otherwise, a pinch of sand could be found in anyone\'s pocket.) On the other hand, the link above suggests the use of ordinary sand - the grain size might matter only. So, in case we cannot find any further info, it might be safer to use an expression like \"sand used coin manufacture\" instead of coining a term :) And please feel free to ask for help with the text in the link, in case you need any.
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Note added at 1 day 6 hrs 42 mins (2004-01-28 08:47:27 GMT)
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SORRY:
\"sand used coin manufacture\"
should correct as: \"sand used in coin manufacture\"
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Note added at 17 hrs 32 mins (2004-01-27 19:38:00 GMT)
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you\'re not wrong about the coin matrix, \"die\" can also be used, though, pls check the following link:
http://www.bartleby.com/65/di/die.html
on a second thought, \"kalıp\" doesn\'t specify whether it\'s male or female, but the concept is closer to female=matrix, of course.
as for \"kuyumcu toprağı\"... no success yet, sorry :(
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Note added at 1 day 6 hrs 40 mins (2004-01-28 08:45:43 GMT)
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I\'m not sure, but I **might** have gotten it. Please check the link below:
http://www.biltek.tubitak.gov.tr/dergi/97/mayis/caglarin2.ht...
where we learn that fine-grained sand is used to polish or burnish coin surfaces - albeit, in 2500 BC, but chances are the essential techniques have remained the same (\"Bazı eserlerin üzerindeki ince çizgilerden perdahlamanın ince kumla yapıldığı anlaşılmaktadır\" and further down, \"İnce kumla perdah yapıldıktan sonra en son perdah için akiğin de kullanılmış olabileceği belirtilmektedir\").
I reached to this link googling with the keywords \"sikke yapımı\", however, come up with only this one link, unfortunately. But now it makes more sense that 1) your English word should be \"goldsmith\" but not \"jeweller\" 2) \"sand\" is probably more appropriate to use than \"earth\".
One should be cautious of one thing, though: \"bir miktar kuyumcu toprağı bulundu\" may suggest a particular type of sand, or (still)chemical powder ?? used in coin manufacture. (Otherwise, a pinch of sand could be found in anyone\'s pocket.) On the other hand, the link above suggests the use of ordinary sand - the grain size might matter only. So, in case we cannot find any further info, it might be safer to use an expression like \"sand used coin manufacture\" instead of coining a term :) And please feel free to ask for help with the text in the link, in case you need any.
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Note added at 1 day 6 hrs 42 mins (2004-01-28 08:47:27 GMT)
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SORRY:
\"sand used coin manufacture\"
should correct as: \"sand used in coin manufacture\"
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Comment: "Thank you, your suggestion is actually the only one I got... Hayirli isler, selamlar:)"
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Goldsmith Soil
self-eplanatıory
Discussion
... adi gecen demircinin esyalari arandiginda bir adet kurus kalibi, bir miktar gmus ile karisik bakir ve bir miktar da kuyumcu topragi bulundugu, her ne kadar kendisi bunlari bakir yuzuk dokmekte kullandigini soylese de yuzuk dokmegi beceremedigi gibi bir kuyumcunun da bu malzemelerin kalpazan malzemeleri oldugunu beyan ettigi ...
By the way I think 'kurus kalibi' means in this context 'coin matrix', but maybe I'm wrong?