Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Portuguese term or phrase:
Fora de eu pensar e de haver quaisquer pensamentos
English translation:
Beyond my thinking and any thought (that exists)
Added to glossary by
Oliver Simões
Dec 22, 2018 11:30
5 yrs ago
Portuguese term
Fora de eu pensar e de haver quaisquer pensamentos
Portuguese to English
Art/Literary
Poetry & Literature
Not sure how to translate this line without adding or subtracting anything. The PT structure is very grammatical ("fora de eu pensar e de haver quaisquer pensamentos"). So, the translation would have to be as grammatical, IMHO. Of course, "me thinking" is not an option; it would seem like a grammatical mismatch. Maybe "my thinking"? Apart from? Aside from?
"A Realidade é apenas real e não pensada.
O Universo não é uma ideia minha.
A minha ideia do Universo é que é uma ideia minha.
A noite não anoitece pelos meus olhos.
A minha ideia da noite é que anoitece por meus olhos.
Fora de eu pensar e de haver quaisquer pensamentos
A noite anoitece concretamente
E o fulgor das estrelas existe como se tivesse peso."
"A Realidade é apenas real e não pensada.
O Universo não é uma ideia minha.
A minha ideia do Universo é que é uma ideia minha.
A noite não anoitece pelos meus olhos.
A minha ideia da noite é que anoitece por meus olhos.
Fora de eu pensar e de haver quaisquer pensamentos
A noite anoitece concretamente
E o fulgor das estrelas existe como se tivesse peso."
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Dec 26, 2018 23:09: Oliver Simões changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/2407412">Oliver Simões's</a> old entry - "Fora de eu pensar e de haver quaisquer pensamentos"" to ""Beyond my thinking and any thought""
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Beyond my "thinking"/"own imagination" and any thought
You could say "thinking" probably but I personally don't think it sounds very attractive in English, if anything it sounds clumsy to me. Therefore, I would go with a synonym for this, but the choice is yours.
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Note added at 1 day 23 hrs (2018-12-24 11:24:04 GMT)
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How about "the night's radiance lingers"?
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Note added at 1 day 23 hrs (2018-12-24 11:27:22 GMT)
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Other synonyms, if you don't like "musings" or "imagination" would be:
"sober reflection" / "personal reflection" (here I think that a qualifying adjective avoids any potential confusion with physical reflection (as in a mirror).
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Note: Beyond "my own reflection" would not work IMO, which is the reason for my qualifying-adjectives, because "own reflection" would normally allude to to looking in a mirror and seeing "ones own reflection" - so if you do use reflection, be careful.
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...that is to say that "adj + reflection" is better to avoid suggestion of a mirror-reflection.
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Another option is "reasoning":
"Beyond my thoughts and any other reasoning"....
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Note added at 1 day 23 hrs (2018-12-24 11:24:04 GMT)
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How about "the night's radiance lingers"?
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Note added at 1 day 23 hrs (2018-12-24 11:27:22 GMT)
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Other synonyms, if you don't like "musings" or "imagination" would be:
"sober reflection" / "personal reflection" (here I think that a qualifying adjective avoids any potential confusion with physical reflection (as in a mirror).
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Note added at 2 days 2 mins (2018-12-24 11:32:27 GMT)
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Note: Beyond "my own reflection" would not work IMO, which is the reason for my qualifying-adjectives, because "own reflection" would normally allude to to looking in a mirror and seeing "ones own reflection" - so if you do use reflection, be careful.
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Note added at 2 days 3 mins (2018-12-24 11:33:51 GMT)
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...that is to say that "adj + reflection" is better to avoid suggestion of a mirror-reflection.
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Note added at 2 days 4 mins (2018-12-24 11:34:53 GMT)
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Another option is "reasoning":
"Beyond my thoughts and any other reasoning"....
Note from asker:
Thank you, Liz. I thought so. I'm trying to keep the proportion between the lines about the same. In this case, I'll probably having to stretch it a little. How does this sound? Beyond my thinking and any thought that exists The night goes dark concretely And the stars' radiance exists as if it had a weight. I don't necessarily like the repetition of "exists", but I can't think of anything else. |
Correction: I'll probably HAVE... By proportion, I mean the length of the lines. |
Sorry, Lara, about the confusion. I called you Liz. :-) |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Domini Lucas
: I agree with “beyond”. “Musing(s)” might sound poetic, but, structurally, would have the same issues as “thinking”.
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Thank you.
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Comment: "Lara, Thank you for your insights. I picked "beyond my thinking", it seems more appropriate. I found several examples of it, including a biblical reference: https://www.hiskingdomprophecy.com/go-beyond-your-last-place-of-repentance/ Also, thank you all for your suggestions and comments."
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Notwithstanding my thinking or the existence of any thoughts
Sugestão
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Other than my thinking or having any thoughts
my suggestion
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Apart from my thinking and regardless any other thought
Sugestão
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