Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
give up the nickels in exchange for the dimes
French translation:
laisser tomber les miettes en échange du gâteau
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L.Lepetit
Jun 8, 2018 10:59
6 yrs ago
English term
give up the nickels in exchange for the dimes
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Bonjour,
il s'agit d'un texte, langage assez familier, sur ce que représente une bonne négociation salariale.
Voici le passage :
It’s not just about the money.
The side with the bigger list of terms wins.
Because then you can give up the nickels in exchange for the dimes.
Things to be negotiated: vacation time, medical leaves, bonuses, what requirements are in place for promotions, what’s the non-compete, employee ownership (in some cases), potential profit participation, moving expenses, etc.
Merci à tous.
Laetitia
il s'agit d'un texte, langage assez familier, sur ce que représente une bonne négociation salariale.
Voici le passage :
It’s not just about the money.
The side with the bigger list of terms wins.
Because then you can give up the nickels in exchange for the dimes.
Things to be negotiated: vacation time, medical leaves, bonuses, what requirements are in place for promotions, what’s the non-compete, employee ownership (in some cases), potential profit participation, moving expenses, etc.
Merci à tous.
Laetitia
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laisser tomber les miettes en échange du gâteau
"It’s not just about the money." : be ready to give stg on your salary to get larger benefits : "vacation time, medical leaves, bonuses, what requirements are in place for promotions,"
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Francois Boye
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Corinne Jeannet
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ph-b (X)
: ou : d'une part du gâteau ?
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Philippe Barré
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Merci cela reprend effectivement l'aidée précédente."
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Valérie KARAM
France
France
Native in French
Specializes in field
France
Environment, Development: the right word
Native in: French (Variant: Standard-France) 
Works in: English to French
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lâcher du lest pour l'argent
Demander une plus petite augmentation de salaire quand il y a compensation en avantages d'autre nature.
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Daryo
: It’s not just about the money. + where do see "petite augmentation de salaire"?? The point is to aim high, but not only in terms of money!
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Isn't a nickel more than a dime ? I would think he's saying that you might not get the big money (nickels) but if you can have other advantages, why not lower your demands and accept less money (dimes) ? Edit: Yep, I got my numbers wrong, you're right.
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FX Fraipont (X)
: nickel = 5 cents dime = 10 cents - https://www.immihelp.com/newcomer/usa-currency-coins.html
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Oui, je pensais que c'était le contraire. M'y mistake.
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Pierre POUSSIN
France
France
Native in French
Works in field
France
Fast and accurate.
Native in: French (Variant: Standard-France) 
Works in: English to French, French to English, Latin to French, and 2 more.
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vous pouvez laisser tomber les p'tits sous pour des gros euros
ou "dollars" ou "livres" ou...ça dépend de la monnaie du pays en question!
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Yvonne Gallagher
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Merci!
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GILLES MEUNIER
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Thanks!
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Francois Boye
: It's not just about money, said the TXT!
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Il s'agit d'une négociation salariale! Donc...
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Daryo
: 1 dime = 2 nickels - it's not such huge difference in value as in + in fact, the point is not in money ...
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Do yo happen to know what "p'tits sous" means? With due repect...
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ph-b (X)
: sans les gros et les p'tits, (si j'ose dire) : ... laisser tomber les sous pour les euros ?
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Thanks!
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Francois Boye
United States
United States
Native in French
Specializes in field
United States
An economic geek with social skills
Native in: French
Works in: English to French, French to English, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
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vous pouvez renoncer aux avantages annexes (aux salaires) pour obtenir des augmentations salariales
https://www.entreprises.cci-paris-idf.fr/web/rh/les-elements...
NB: le salaire est encore le revenu le plus important des salariés
NB: le salaire est encore le revenu le plus important des salariés
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FX Fraipont (X)
: la source dit exactement le contraire "It’s not just about the money."
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Daryo
: "you can give up the nickels in exchange for the dimes" is a general negotiating tactic and in fact can be about anything; even in this ST it's not about getting a pay rise.
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laisser tomber plein de demandes mineures en échange de quelque demandes importantes
[It’s not just about the money.
The side with the bigger list of terms wins.]
Because then you can give up the nickels in exchange for the dimes.
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Parce qu'alors vous pouvez laisser tomber plein de demandes mineures en échange de quelque demandes importantes
15 years ago, one expert negotiator, Dr. Larry Brilliant (his real name), who later became head of all of Google’s charity work, gave me advice, “Always make sure your list is bigger than theirs so you can give up the nickels in exchange for the dimes.”
https://jamesaltucher.com/2016/08/learned-fbis-best-hostage-...
the point of the method: you make a long list ("make sure your list is bigger than theirs") of not so important demands (the "nickels") so you can trade lots of these not so important demands to make the other side give up just few important demands (the "dimes")
BTW 1 dime = 10 cents vs. 1 nickel = 5 cents - it's not some huge disparity in values!
Nickel
Worth 5 cents. It is made of a nickel and copper blend. It is larger than a penny.
It has Thomas Jefferson on the front and Monticello (Jefferson's colonial plantation) on the back.
Dime
Worth 10 cents. It is made of a nickel and copper blend. It is smaller than a penny or a nickel.
It has Franklin D. Roosevelt on the front and a torch on the back.
https://www.immihelp.com/newcomer/usa-currency-coins.html
The side with the bigger list of terms wins.]
Because then you can give up the nickels in exchange for the dimes.
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Parce qu'alors vous pouvez laisser tomber plein de demandes mineures en échange de quelque demandes importantes
15 years ago, one expert negotiator, Dr. Larry Brilliant (his real name), who later became head of all of Google’s charity work, gave me advice, “Always make sure your list is bigger than theirs so you can give up the nickels in exchange for the dimes.”
https://jamesaltucher.com/2016/08/learned-fbis-best-hostage-...
the point of the method: you make a long list ("make sure your list is bigger than theirs") of not so important demands (the "nickels") so you can trade lots of these not so important demands to make the other side give up just few important demands (the "dimes")
BTW 1 dime = 10 cents vs. 1 nickel = 5 cents - it's not some huge disparity in values!
Nickel
Worth 5 cents. It is made of a nickel and copper blend. It is larger than a penny.
It has Thomas Jefferson on the front and Monticello (Jefferson's colonial plantation) on the back.
Dime
Worth 10 cents. It is made of a nickel and copper blend. It is smaller than a penny or a nickel.
It has Franklin D. Roosevelt on the front and a torch on the back.
https://www.immihelp.com/newcomer/usa-currency-coins.html
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Pierre POUSSIN
: Un rien pompeux pour du langage familier, non?
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you have a very "creative" interpretation for words you are using - all I see here is a translation that is simple and clear and explains the key point, and BTW works perfectly well in ANY situation where this kind of negotiating method could be used.
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GILLES MEUNIER
: ce n'est pas naturel en français, merci de faire des phrases en français....
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караван иде даље ....
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les arbres des avantages sociaux cachent la forêt des rémunérations
qui mourraient être plus prometteuses.
iI faut bien évaluer l'important lors d'une bonne négociation salariale, ne pas se laisser aveugler par les promesses sociales et ne pas mésestimer le fait que les avantages sociaux ne sont qu'une partie mineure des enjeux salariaux et masques les véritables préoccupations des salariés et des employeurs.
iI faut bien évaluer l'important lors d'une bonne négociation salariale, ne pas se laisser aveugler par les promesses sociales et ne pas mésestimer le fait que les avantages sociaux ne sont qu'une partie mineure des enjeux salariaux et masques les véritables préoccupations des salariés et des employeurs.
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sacrifier la petite monnaie pour gagner des biftons
« Il faut savoir/être prêt à sacrifier la petite monnaie pour gagner des biftons. »
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offrir un paquet de petite monnaie en échange d'un gros billet
It’s not just about the money.
The side with the bigger list of terms wins.
The side with the bigger list of terms wins.
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1 day 17 hrs
obtenir beaucoup plus
Tout simplement, dans ce contexte... En traduisant à tout prix l'expression imagée, on risque de tomber à plat. Ici, je pense qu'il vaut mieux se cantonner au sens.
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Note added at 1 day 19 hrs (2018-06-10 06:09:07 GMT)
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'céder sur les points moins importants pour obtenir les avantages majeurs'
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Note added at 1 day 19 hrs (2018-06-10 06:27:30 GMT)
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'céder sur les points moins importants pour obtenir les avantages plus jûteux'
'céder sur les broutilles pour obtenir les/des avantages plus jûteux' <- this one! :)
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Note added at 1 day 19 hrs (2018-06-10 06:09:07 GMT)
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'céder sur les points moins importants pour obtenir les avantages majeurs'
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Note added at 1 day 19 hrs (2018-06-10 06:27:30 GMT)
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'céder sur les points moins importants pour obtenir les avantages plus jûteux'
'céder sur les broutilles pour obtenir les/des avantages plus jûteux' <- this one! :)
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ph-b (X)
: D'accord sur le principe. Je me suis prêté au jeu de la traduction pour le plaisir, mais il serait p.-ê. plus sûr ici de rester prudent : qchose comme « savoir faire des concessions pour obtenir plus », tout en restant proche du ton familier.
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Merci ph
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GILLES MEUNIER
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Merci Gilou
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