Apr 27, 2009 00:37
16 yrs ago
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Spanish term
United States
servicios para autores académicos
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English
libre albedrío
Spanish to English
Social Sciences
Government / Politics
Mexico
I usually translate this as "free will," but here it clear has a NEGATIVE connotation. Any ideas?
Por otro lado, es necesario que en el Estado mexicano sea una realidad la consolidación del estado de derecho, entendido como la aplicación de normas integradas en leyes escritas, creadas con apego estricto a los procedimientos legislativos, terminando de una vez por todas con el libre albedrío, la falta de objetividad y el amplio criterio en la aplicación de las leyes.
Por otro lado, es necesario que en el Estado mexicano sea una realidad la consolidación del estado de derecho, entendido como la aplicación de normas integradas en leyes escritas, creadas con apego estricto a los procedimientos legislativos, terminando de una vez por todas con el libre albedrío, la falta de objetividad y el amplio criterio en la aplicación de las leyes.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +4 | arbitrariness |
Marcelo Silveyra
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| 4 +1 | self-determination |
Michael Powers (PhD)
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| 4 +1 | free will |
neilmac
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| 4 | free discretion |
Joss Heywood
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| 4 | free thinking |
Henry Hinds
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| 3 +1 | free choice |
Muriel Vasconcellos (X)
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| 3 +1 | absolute unrestricted liberty // abuse of liberty |
Alejandro Alcaraz Sintes
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| 4 | self interpretation |
Silvia Hanine-Studnicki
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| 3 | self-government/self-rule |
Tom2004
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Proposed translations
+4
5 hrs
Marcelo Silveyra
United States
United States
Native in English
Works in field
United States
A perfect track record of reliability
Native in: English (Variant: US) 
Works in: German to English, Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
:
12
Selected
arbitrariness
Given that the term is being used with a highly negative connotation (like you already mentioned), my take is that it's simply not being used 100% correctly within this context (hey, it happens to anyone, and anyone who has been exposed to highfalutin texts of this type in Mexico knows that words are used and abused all the time - Santiago Creel is a prime example).
At any rate, given the context (the much-mentioned and always elusive "estado de derecho" in Mexico) and the intention with which the term was used, I'd suggest "arbitrariness" - it keeps the concept of free will in regard to the law, but with a decidedly negative connotation.
At any rate, given the context (the much-mentioned and always elusive "estado de derecho" in Mexico) and the intention with which the term was used, I'd suggest "arbitrariness" - it keeps the concept of free will in regard to the law, but with a decidedly negative connotation.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
David Ronder
: Yes, works in the context
3 hrs
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| agree |
Tony Isaac
: Works very well in context
3 hrs
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| agree |
Henry Hinds
: I'm inclined to agree but wonder why "arbitrariedad" was not used. But yes, what Marcelo says is quite true; people need to learn how to write.
8 hrs
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| agree |
Laura Tamayo
: This best preserves the sense here, in my opinion, since "albedrío" can also refer to unwritten customs within the legal systen (see RAE).
10 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
+1
3 mins
Michael Powers (PhD)
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
US Court Cert. 1980 Ph.D. 1981
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English, English to Spanish, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
365
self-determination
Mike :)
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Note added at 4 mins (2009-04-27 00:42:21 GMT)
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once and for all doing away with self-determination ...
implying, of course, that this is when the laws are ignored
Oxford
Mike :)
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Note added at 4 mins (2009-04-27 00:42:21 GMT)
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once and for all doing away with self-determination ...
implying, of course, that this is when the laws are ignored
Oxford
Mike :)
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Barbara Cochran, MFA
: Seems like a good alternative to me.
3 mins
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Thank you, femme - Mike :)
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26 mins
free discretion
this term is used in the sociology of law - perhaps here even "totally free discretion" might be appropriate
Note from asker:
| Thank you, Josh. Sociology of law is precisely the field I'm wandering around in now! |
35 mins
self-government/self-rule
my take on it!
41 mins
Henry Hinds
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
&
English
Works in field
United States
43 years of Border Experience and fast.
Native in: English 
, Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
:
661
free thinking
Another idea.
+1
2 hrs
Muriel Vasconcellos (X)
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
Related KudoZ points
:
468
free choice
From what I can tell, in international law it's not as drastic as self-determination, which means starting your own government.
Act of Free Choice (Indonesian: Penentuan Pendapat Rakyat, PEPERA) was the ... The Indonesian Government position is that the United Nations noting of the ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Free_Choice
Egypt: Election Offers Public Debate, Not Free Choice. September 1, 2005. Related Materials: Egypt: Government Uses National Security to Stifle Dissent ...
www.hrw.org/en/news/2005/09/01/egypt-election-offers-public...
Law, government and free choice - by Davi - Helium
300 million citizens in Democracy! Capitalism is not the name of the US Government. Capitalism is an economic plan or an economic method to sup..., Davi.
www.helium.com/items/1106933-american-democracy-democracy-a...
Act of Free Choice (Indonesian: Penentuan Pendapat Rakyat, PEPERA) was the ... The Indonesian Government position is that the United Nations noting of the ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Free_Choice
Egypt: Election Offers Public Debate, Not Free Choice. September 1, 2005. Related Materials: Egypt: Government Uses National Security to Stifle Dissent ...
www.hrw.org/en/news/2005/09/01/egypt-election-offers-public...
Law, government and free choice - by Davi - Helium
300 million citizens in Democracy! Capitalism is not the name of the US Government. Capitalism is an economic plan or an economic method to sup..., Davi.
www.helium.com/items/1106933-american-democracy-democracy-a...
+1
5 hrs
Alejandro Alcaraz Sintes
Spain
Spain
Native in Spanish
Spain
Sworn & legal. Contracts & CVs. PhD
Native in: Spanish (Variant: Standard-Spain)
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English, French to Spanish
Related KudoZ points
:
68
absolute unrestricted liberty // abuse of liberty
Es lo que se me ocurre, si quieres indicar en la traducción el sentido negativo que ciertamente tiene el original.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Natalia Pedrosa (X)
: I like abuse of liberty, or freedom.
19 mins
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Gracias, Natalia.
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5 hrs
Silvia Hanine-Studnicki
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
United States
Quality Translations
Native in: Spanish (Variants: Latin American, Argentine)
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English, Hebrew to Spanish, and 1 more.
self interpretation
It refers to how people interpret the law.
+1
10 hrs
free will
The classic definition IMO.
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Note added at 10 hrs (2009-04-27 11:13:58 GMT)
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= the power of making free choices unconstrained by external agencies
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Note added at 10 hrs (2009-04-27 11:13:58 GMT)
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= the power of making free choices unconstrained by external agencies
Discussion
This is the point I'm trying to get across to everyone. The author is saying that to create a better society, we end, once and for all, libre albedrío.