Sep 18, 2006 12:55
18 yrs ago
Spanish term
France
Style, Accuracy, Clarity
Native in: English 
Works in: Spanish to English, French to English, English
en la propia definición de los programas
Spanish to English
Social Sciences
Government / Politics
I am having a little trouble understanding and translating the following:
La posibilidad de influir de manera eficaz en las estructuras burocrático-administrativas y *en la propia definición de los programas*
Many thanks in advance
La posibilidad de influir de manera eficaz en las estructuras burocrático-administrativas y *en la propia definición de los programas*
Many thanks in advance
Proposed translations
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Proposed translations
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4 mins
Marian Greenfield
Native in English
Over 30 years in financial translation
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English, English
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[influence] the definition of the programs themselves
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the very the definition of the programs
the very the definition of the programs
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks Marian and to everyone else for their suggestions"
+3
2 mins
in how the programs are defined
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Note added at 10 mins (2006-09-18 13:05:46 GMT)
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Without the "in" I think
The possibility of effectively influencing the bureaucratic structures and how the programs are defined.....
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Note added at 10 mins (2006-09-18 13:05:46 GMT)
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Without the "in" I think
The possibility of effectively influencing the bureaucratic structures and how the programs are defined.....
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Refugio
: I like your second suggestion.
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Thank you Ruth
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Cinnamon Nolan
: The 2nd one.
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Thanks, Cinnamon
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Claudia Aguero
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Thanks, Claudia
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Patricia Rosas
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
servicios para autores académicos
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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156
a suitable definition for the programs
I think that propia modifies definición rather than programs, so I'd translate it as (with options in brackets):
the possibility of effectively influencing ... a suitable [an appropriate] definition [design] for the programs
the possibility of effectively influencing ... a suitable [an appropriate] definition [design] for the programs
Peer comment(s):
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Refugio
: You are right that propia modifies definición rather than programas. I also have the impression that it may be suggesting a redefinition of existing programs, though this excerpt doesn't specifically say so.
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Thanks, Ruth. I was thinking along the lines of a "redesigning of" the institutions (if the context allows)...
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Bonita Mc Donald
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English
Specializes in field
English<>Spanish at its best!
Native in: English 
, Spanish
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, English, and 1 more.
the definition of the programs per se
Well, if you want an exact translation that would respect the style of the author, then for
influir de manera eficaz [...] en la propia definicion de los programas
you might want to put
effectively influencing/effectively having an influence on [...] the definition of the programs per se
where "per se" can modify either "programs" or "definition" regardless of gender
in you look at the spanish version again, the word "propia" is modifying the word "definition", not the word "programas"
anyway, sorry if I got too persnickety.
it's just another suggestion and I guess it's application would depend on how picky you'd have to be with regard to style or whatever so as to satisfy your client (only you can know this)
=)
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-09-18 14:47:21 GMT)
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Ooops, sorry, didn't see Marian's additional suggestion of "the very definition". That would be even more precise!
influir de manera eficaz [...] en la propia definicion de los programas
you might want to put
effectively influencing/effectively having an influence on [...] the definition of the programs per se
where "per se" can modify either "programs" or "definition" regardless of gender
in you look at the spanish version again, the word "propia" is modifying the word "definition", not the word "programas"
anyway, sorry if I got too persnickety.
it's just another suggestion and I guess it's application would depend on how picky you'd have to be with regard to style or whatever so as to satisfy your client (only you can know this)
=)
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-09-18 14:47:21 GMT)
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Ooops, sorry, didn't see Marian's additional suggestion of "the very definition". That would be even more precise!
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