Nov 14, 2002 09:12
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German term
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Native in: Dutch 
, English
Works in: Dutch to English, English to Dutch, German to English
prokurist
German to English
Bus/Financial
Law (general)
Yet another question about the CV.
"zu Ende der Tätigkeit Prokurist in vier Beteiligungsgesellschaften"
My dictionary says a prokurist is a lawyer, but the guy doesn't have a law degree but sounds more like (specialised) accountant. The plural "beteiligungsgesellschaften" also makes me wonder yet again whether this really should be holding company.
"zu Ende der Tätigkeit Prokurist in vier Beteiligungsgesellschaften"
My dictionary says a prokurist is a lawyer, but the guy doesn't have a law degree but sounds more like (specialised) accountant. The plural "beteiligungsgesellschaften" also makes me wonder yet again whether this really should be holding company.
Proposed translations
(English)
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Oct 8, 2013 08:06: Steffen Walter changed "Field (specific)" from "(none)" to "Law (general)"
Proposed translations
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Steffen Walter
Germany
Germany
Native in German
Germany
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Native in: German (Variant: Germany) 
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 1 more.
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438
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Tricky one - see comment below
A Prokurist has not necessarily to be a lawyer but is a person who is authorised to represent the company ***to a certain extent***. As such, he/she is subordinated to the General Manager/Managing Director etc.
Possible translations:
- authorised representative
- managing clerk
- confidential clerk
Nothing wrong with your holding companies though.
Steffen :-)
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Agree with Alison on mentioning the German title.
Possible translations:
- authorised representative
- managing clerk
- confidential clerk
Nothing wrong with your holding companies though.
Steffen :-)
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Agree with Alison on mentioning the German title.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Firstly my apologies for not having checked the glossary - I do not follow the German Kudoz, as I normally translate Dutch into English (but my degree is for German into English).
On this one, it was a hard choice between Steffen and Alison, I believe both made good point. Some of the other suggestions were too elaborate for my liking."
2 mins
Andy Lemminger
Canada
Canada
Native in German
Works in field
Canada
Finance&IT: Auditor & Software Developer
Native in: German
Works in: English to German
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28
executive holding a general power of attorney (to act for the company)
according to Zahn (neither lawyer nor accountant :-) )
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Beteiligungsgesellschaften are affiliated companys or investments
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\"affiliated companies\" of course.
Beteiligungsgesellschaft in German can either be a holding company (a company holding different investments) or a participation in another company. This can be quite confusing. In this context though it is obviously the latter.
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Just to explain: An executive holding a general power of attorney can of course be a lawyer or an accountant, you don\'t have to be lawyer or accountant to become Prokurist. Every employee can become Prokurist of a company and of course there can be many of them in each company
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Beteiligungsgesellschaften are affiliated companys or investments
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\"affiliated companies\" of course.
Beteiligungsgesellschaft in German can either be a holding company (a company holding different investments) or a participation in another company. This can be quite confusing. In this context though it is obviously the latter.
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Just to explain: An executive holding a general power of attorney can of course be a lawyer or an accountant, you don\'t have to be lawyer or accountant to become Prokurist. Every employee can become Prokurist of a company and of course there can be many of them in each company
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(holder of a) attorney
Maybe your dictionary said "attorney" which, in England, is a holder of a power of attorney.
Prokurist, Prokuristin [prokurst, -rstn]
(pl. -en, -en, -nen) (m;f) holder of a general power of attorney company secretary (Brit).
Prokurist, Prokuristin [prokurst, -rstn]
(pl. -en, -en, -nen) (m;f) holder of a general power of attorney company secretary (Brit).
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Kay Fisher (X)
: would "company secretary" alone do it? At least in British business circles thats a defined position in a registered company
2 mins
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| neutral |
Alison Schwitzgebel
: a company can have several "Prokuristen" but only one company secretary....
3 mins
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| disagree |
Margaret Marks
: There is an attorney in fact (most people don't understand this term) and an attorney at law (a lawyer). The former is just anyone you authorize, not someone like a Prokurist who can sign on behalf of the company.
2 hrs
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I am aware of the distinction between attorney in fact and attorney at law (being myself the latter). The reason I came up with "attorney" was because the Asker had found a definition that suggested that the Prokurist was a lawyer (hence, attorney)
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+3
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Alison Schwitzgebel
France
France
Native in German
&
English
Specializes in field
France
Words that work
Native in: English , German
Works in: German to English, Germanic(Other) to English, French to English
Related KudoZ points
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128
Prokurist (authorized signatory)
Is my standard translation of Prokurist. There is no direct English equivalent to this German term, which is why I choose to use the above translation.
HTH
Alison
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I think \"associate\" is your best translation for \"Beteiligungsgesellschaft\" here (as in associated company). Again, I think that XXX Is the holding company, and these Beteiligungen are the companies in which XXX holds an interest.
HTH
Alison
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I think \"associate\" is your best translation for \"Beteiligungsgesellschaft\" here (as in associated company). Again, I think that XXX Is the holding company, and these Beteiligungen are the companies in which XXX holds an interest.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Margaret Marks
: I do something like this too: Prokurist plus explanation. It can come up hundreds of times in Commercial Register extracts.
2 hrs
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| agree |
Richard Hall
17 hrs
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| agree |
Ron Stelter
18 days
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company officer with statutary authority
is one of several suggestions from dict.leo.org
I take Alison's point about there being more than one "prokurist" in a company. (Thanks, Alison).
My suggestion of "company secretary" applies of course only if that really WAS the position held.
If you're translating a CV then you're probably in a position to ask the client to explain a little more....
I take Alison's point about there being more than one "prokurist" in a company. (Thanks, Alison).
My suggestion of "company secretary" applies of course only if that really WAS the position held.
If you're translating a CV then you're probably in a position to ask the client to explain a little more....
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