Jun 1, 2011 07:40
13 yrs ago
French term
France
Traduction / Formation
Native in: English (Variants: British, Australian, New Zealand, US, French) 
, French (Variants: Standard-France, African, Swiss, Belgian)
Works in: French to English, English to French
robe volante
French to English
Other
Textiles / Clothing / Fashion
18th century clothing
Robe à larges plis dans le dos, ancêtre de la robe à la française
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +3 | sack gown |
Catharine Cellier-Smart
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| 4 +2 | Flying gown |
Lara Barnett
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| 3 +1 | flounce gown |
Sheila Wilson
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Proposed translations
+3
16 mins
Catharine Cellier-Smart
Reunion
Reunion
Native in English
Reunion
The Smart Solution
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: French to English, Creoles & Pidgins (French-based Other) to English, English
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24
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sack gown
doesn't sound very elegant but if you don't want to use the French term (which seems to be used in English) this is the term
"Sack Dress, Also Robe À La Francaise - Mid- To Second Half Of 18th Century Dress That Was Made With A Box Pleated Back ("watteau"-pleats) Falling Loosely From Just Below The Shoulder To The Floor."
http://www.lowpricefabric.com/s-22-s.aspx
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"The very first gown I made a few years ago was a robe à la Française. This formal gown was worn during most of the 18th century. This gown was also known once as a sacque or sack gown. By the 1770s this gown did make way for other gowns that came out of England in a wave of Anglomania. During the turn of the 18th century, it was unfitted both at the front and back and was known as robe volante"
http://www.marialouisadolls.com/blog/
"Sack Dress, Also Robe À La Francaise - Mid- To Second Half Of 18th Century Dress That Was Made With A Box Pleated Back ("watteau"-pleats) Falling Loosely From Just Below The Shoulder To The Floor."
http://www.lowpricefabric.com/s-22-s.aspx
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Note added at 18 mins (2011-06-01 07:59:12 GMT)
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"The very first gown I made a few years ago was a robe à la Française. This formal gown was worn during most of the 18th century. This gown was also known once as a sacque or sack gown. By the 1770s this gown did make way for other gowns that came out of England in a wave of Anglomania. During the turn of the 18th century, it was unfitted both at the front and back and was known as robe volante"
http://www.marialouisadolls.com/blog/
Note from asker:
| According to the 18th c specialist for whom I'm translating an article, the sack or sacque gown = robe à la française came after the robe volante, and the Watteau pleated gown is an 1830 revival of the 1750-1789 sacque Thanks all for your contibutions |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
+2
38 mins
Lara Barnett
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Works in field
United Kingdom
www.lingocraft.co.uk
Native in: English (Variants: British, Scottish, Irish, Singaporean, UK, South African) 
Works in: French to English, Italian to English, Romanian to English, and 2 more.
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7
Flying gown
This website shows the usage of the term "flying gown":
"Worn with the revived hooped petticoats (cone and dome shaped) of the early 18th Century, the new fashionable cut of gown is the sacque gown (Also known as robe battante, robe volante, innocente OR a flying gown)."
http://www.cfa.ilstu.edu/lmlowel/the331/rococo/womenreview.h...
And some images available here:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&xhr=t&q=robe volante&cp...
"Ice blue is this season's hue. A French robe volante, or flying gown, of the 1730's that sold for $70,097 at Christie's South Kensington."
http://www.maineantiquedigest.com/stories/?id=1720
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Note added at 43 mins (2011-06-01 08:23:25 GMT)
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Here is another link showing the usage of the term "flying gown"
(Underneath image of 1720's dress):
"Also known as sacque gown, robe battante, innocente, négligé or a FLYING GOWN."
http://costumeholic.blogspot.com/2010/03/robe-la-what.html
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Note added at 46 mins (2011-06-01 08:26:27 GMT)
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And another:
"Robe volante: “Flying gown”, developed out of a late 17th century négligé gown, early version of the contouche."
http://ornamentedbeing.tumblr.com/post/4292998054
"Worn with the revived hooped petticoats (cone and dome shaped) of the early 18th Century, the new fashionable cut of gown is the sacque gown (Also known as robe battante, robe volante, innocente OR a flying gown)."
http://www.cfa.ilstu.edu/lmlowel/the331/rococo/womenreview.h...
And some images available here:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&xhr=t&q=robe volante&cp...
"Ice blue is this season's hue. A French robe volante, or flying gown, of the 1730's that sold for $70,097 at Christie's South Kensington."
http://www.maineantiquedigest.com/stories/?id=1720
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Note added at 43 mins (2011-06-01 08:23:25 GMT)
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Here is another link showing the usage of the term "flying gown"
(Underneath image of 1720's dress):
"Also known as sacque gown, robe battante, innocente, négligé or a FLYING GOWN."
http://costumeholic.blogspot.com/2010/03/robe-la-what.html
e
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Note added at 46 mins (2011-06-01 08:26:27 GMT)
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And another:
"Robe volante: “Flying gown”, developed out of a late 17th century négligé gown, early version of the contouche."
http://ornamentedbeing.tumblr.com/post/4292998054
Note from asker:
| this is a new term I hadn't come across and very convincing, the illustration tends to confirm this choice, I shall run it past the author or the article (but she is away until Tuesday...) many thanks for your help |
+1
6 hrs
Sheila Wilson
Spain
Spain
Native in English
Works in field
Spain
20 years producing 100% natural English
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: English, French to English
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16
flounce gown
I know "volants" as "flounces" and if you Google images for "robe volante" and "flounce dress" it seems that they are one and the same. Here, I imagine "gown" is a more suitable translation for "robe".
Fashion Plate Collection
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The fashion trend in the late years of the 18th and early 19th centuries was ... as skirts spread over crinoline frames and flounced dresses went out of fashion. ... The bustle was worn under petticoats and a gown often looped up in ...
http://content.lib.washington.edu/costumehistweb/fashion-tre...
Queen Victoria: a personal history - Résultats Google Recherche de Livres
Christopher Hibbert - 2001 - Biography & Autobiography - 557 pages
At other times she appeared in a 'shocking toilette', a white flounced gown topped with 'a crude green' mantle, and, 'in spite of the great heat, ...
http://books.google.fr/books?id=o3aTsouq48MC&pg=PA235&lpg=PA...
Fashion Plate Collection
- [ Traduire cette page ]
The fashion trend in the late years of the 18th and early 19th centuries was ... as skirts spread over crinoline frames and flounced dresses went out of fashion. ... The bustle was worn under petticoats and a gown often looped up in ...
http://content.lib.washington.edu/costumehistweb/fashion-tre...
Queen Victoria: a personal history - Résultats Google Recherche de Livres
Christopher Hibbert - 2001 - Biography & Autobiography - 557 pages
At other times she appeared in a 'shocking toilette', a white flounced gown topped with 'a crude green' mantle, and, 'in spite of the great heat, ...
http://books.google.fr/books?id=o3aTsouq48MC&pg=PA235&lpg=PA...
Note from asker:
| Thank you for your help and references this is a later period than the period I am working on during the 19th c as of the 1830's there was a revival of the 1750's styles but I'll suggest "flounced dress to the author |
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