Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

charges nettes de recours associées

English translation:

associated expenses, net of claims

Added to glossary by Stephanie Mitchel
Sep 10, 2015 18:53
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French term

charges nettes de recours associées

French to English Bus/Financial Insurance
A document about the financial position of the main French life insurers. I'm trying to untangle the syntax on this phrase but I keep getting caught in it.

"Ce dernier permet de comparer aux primes acquises sur un exercice les charges nettes de recours associées (paiements nets et variation des provisions)."

This may be clear to someone with insurance expertise or just a fresher brain. 'Ce dernier' refers to the claims to premiums ratio. What I'm not sure about is, is it (a) associated expenses minus claims? or (b) net expenses of associated claims? or (c)________?

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associated expenses, net of claims

Alt (a)

French grammar - the associées agrees with the charges and

logical reasoning - the claims can hardly be linked to 'primes acquises sur un exercice', namely premiums earned over an accounting reference period/ financial year, leaving an odd actuarial ratio.
Peer comment(s):

agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne
8 mins
Thanks. Now we need the other regulars to come on board.
disagree Daryo : the claims can hardly be linked to 'primes acquises sur un exercice' ON THE CONTRARY / the whole point of the ST: if more claims are paid than insurance premiums are collected, the future of the insurance company is rather bleak, could easily go belly-up
1 day 23 hrs
It's a simple accounting op., as your own reference explains.
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French term (edited): les charges nettes de recours associées [à ces primes acquises sur l'exercice]

related/associated net claim liabilities [related to collected insurance premiums]

"Ce dernier permet de comparer aux primes acquises sur un exercice les charges nettes de recours associées (paiements nets et variation des provisions)."

parsing: les charges nettes de recours associées [à ces primes acquises sur l'exercice]

"Ce dernier permet de comparer

(a) aux primes acquises sur un exercice

(b) les charges nettes de recours associées [charges ... associées à ces primes pour la même période/le même exercice](paiements nets et variation des provisions)."

the whole sentence is about comparing
-- the money that goes IN (= primes acquises sur un exercice)
and
-- the money that goes OUT during the same period (= "paiements nets et variation des provisions") or IOW
"les charges nettes de recours" associées aux rentrées d'argent pendant la même période / aux primes acquises sur l'exercice

the basic principle in accounting is to compare what is comparable: the revenues and costs of the same product for the same period of time, i.e. the costs must be "related to" / "associées" to revenues generated by the same product (insurance policies) during the same period of time.

other interpretation of this sentences might be also grammatically correct but would be economic nonsense, and wouldn't anyway fit into the logic of the whole paragraph.
Peer comment(s):

disagree Adrian MM. (X) : totally muddled, suggesting liabilities are related to claims made, and with strokes and brackets leaving the underlying meaning ambiguous.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

La situation des principaux organismes d’assurance en 2014

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2.2 Équilibre technique
2.2.1 Sinistralité par exercice
Dans cette partie, la sinistralité est analysée au travers du ratio sinistres sur primes (S/P). Ce dernier permet de comparer aux primes acquises sur un exercice les charges nettes de recours associées (paiements nets et variation des provisions). Quand les charges prises en compte dans le calcul résultent des sinistres survenus dans l’exercice, ce ratio est un élément d’analyse important pour la formation du résultat et la prise en compte sur moyen terme de l’évolution de la sinistralité. Pour certaines catégories d’opération (détaillées par la suite), la sinistralité peut être analysée plus précisément par exercice de souscription, ce qui permet de mieux rendre compte du degré d’adéquation de la tarification des risques ex ante.
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https://acpr.banque-france.fr/uploads/media/2015072-AS52-La-...
Peer comments on this reference comment:

neutral Adrian MM. (X) : This supports my rendering and not yours.
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