Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
secret de la défense nationale
English translation:
national defence secrecy
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laenai
Jun 23, 2011 21:51
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French term
secret de la défense nationale
French to English
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Government / Politics
This is from a document about a Decree relating to nuclear facilities written in FR-FR. I have done some research on the term but I am struggling to find a succinct way of expressing it in English.
Here is the surrounding text: "Vu l’arrêté du 23 juillet 2010 portant approbation de l’instruction générale interministérielle sur la protection du secret de la défense nationale"
The best I have come up with so far is "confidential information linked to national defence secrets". It's a bit of a mouthful... :p
Any help appreciated!
Here is the surrounding text: "Vu l’arrêté du 23 juillet 2010 portant approbation de l’instruction générale interministérielle sur la protection du secret de la défense nationale"
The best I have come up with so far is "confidential information linked to national defence secrets". It's a bit of a mouthful... :p
Any help appreciated!
Proposed translations
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| 4 +6 | national defence secrecy |
AllegroTrans
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| 3 +1 | sensitive National Defence assets |
Clive Phillips
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Change log
Jun 23, 2011 22:20: writeaway changed "Field" from "Law/Patents" to "Other" , "Field (specific)" from "Law (general)" to "Government / Politics"
Proposed translations
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AllegroTrans
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national defence secrecy
Reporters sans frontières - France
... French council of state on 9 October calling for the withdrawal of the decree on the "protection of national defence secrecy in the area of protection ...
arabia.reporters-sans-frontieres.org/article.php3?id_article=8212 - Cached
No to defence secrecy for French nuclear energy : print
10 Sep 2003 – ... October calling for the withdrawal of the decree on the ...
arabia.reporters-sans-frontieres.org/print.php3?id_article=8212 - Cached
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The armaments portal: Legislative and regulatory framework
Definition of national defence secrecy (French Penal Code, Volume III, Section 2, Article 413.9) - Breach of national defence secrecy (French Penal Code, ...
www.ixarm.com/Legislative-and-regulatory - Cached
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Re asker's note: well, it's what the refs call it, but you could use "secrets". Try some googling yourself!
... French council of state on 9 October calling for the withdrawal of the decree on the "protection of national defence secrecy in the area of protection ...
arabia.reporters-sans-frontieres.org/article.php3?id_article=8212 - Cached
No to defence secrecy for French nuclear energy : print
10 Sep 2003 – ... October calling for the withdrawal of the decree on the ...
arabia.reporters-sans-frontieres.org/print.php3?id_article=8212 - Cached
Show more results from reporters-sans-frontieres.org
The armaments portal: Legislative and regulatory framework
Definition of national defence secrecy (French Penal Code, Volume III, Section 2, Article 413.9) - Breach of national defence secrecy (French Penal Code, ...
www.ixarm.com/Legislative-and-regulatory - Cached
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Re asker's note: well, it's what the refs call it, but you could use "secrets". Try some googling yourself!
Note from asker:
| Protection of national defence secrecy? I feel like that doesn't quite scan although that could be tiredness... Can "secrecy" as opposed to "secrets" be protected? |
| Sorry! Have been googling like mad all evening - just thought a human ear might be good. Thanks for your help :D |
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: this sound very much in context and not at all incorrect
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Tx W
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Yolanda Broad
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thanks
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rkillings
: 'secrecy' it is.
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thanks
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Evans (X)
: Secrecy definitely better than secrets in the context
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thanks
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B D Finch
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thank you
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piazza d
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thanks pd
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "thank you for your help :)"
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11 hrs
Clive Phillips
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Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: German to English, French to English, English
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sensitive National Defence assets
The protection of sensitive Government, or more narrowly National Defence, assets was previously (and sometimes still is) referred to in the UK as "security classification of assets". The linked PDF shows levels of protection and the related degrees of sensitivity.
I think "secrecy" is not entirely wrong but doesn't use the terms used by Government.
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A freer and less literal translation. Isn't the "instruction générale interministérielle" about protecting sensitive defence assets (documents, technology, equipment, etc) from disclosure, not about protecting "secrecy" per se?
I think "secrecy" is not entirely wrong but doesn't use the terms used by Government.
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Note added at 15 hrs (2011-06-24 13:09:39 GMT)
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A freer and less literal translation. Isn't the "instruction générale interministérielle" about protecting sensitive defence assets (documents, technology, equipment, etc) from disclosure, not about protecting "secrecy" per se?
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
B D Finch
: No question that the phrase you suggest exists. However, it simply isn't a translation of the French source term.
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| neutral |
AllegroTrans
: You have overtranslated this - neither "sensitive" or "assets" appear in the source text or in the title of the legislation being referred to
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| agree |
Yolanda Broad
: Governments adore using euphemisms to name their activities!
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Not half! Thank you, Yolanda.
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Reference comments
3 hrs
Reference:
This has been discussed recently - search term on proz.com
Or follow link: http://tinyurl.com/5rr69pu
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Nb. "défense" incorrectly spelled "défence" in previous query, which would explain why it might have turned up in a search. I just put in "secret de la".
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Note added at 3 hrs (2011-06-24 01:00:18 GMT)
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* might NOT have turned up in a search...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2011-06-24 00:59:58 GMT)
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Nb. "défense" incorrectly spelled "défence" in previous query, which would explain why it might have turned up in a search. I just put in "secret de la".
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Note added at 3 hrs (2011-06-24 01:00:18 GMT)
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* might NOT have turned up in a search...
Note from asker:
| Thanks Melissa. I did a search on "secret" too and it didn't come up for some reason so thanks for the link :) |
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