Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
bien confraternellement
English translation:
Yours Sincerely or Your colleague
French term
bien confraternellement
"bien confraternellement"
to fellow doctors who will read his report
How can we say that in English?
| 3 +7 | Yours Sincerely or Your colleague |
Sue Davis
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| 4 | Collegially yours |
Drmanu49
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| 5 -2 | Fraternally Yours |
Omar Fassi Fehri
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Non-PRO (2): Yolanda Broad, Yvonne Gallagher
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Proposed translations
Yours Sincerely or Your colleague
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Tony M
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Thanks Tony!
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writeaway
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Thanks writeaway!
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Gabrielle Leyden
: It's a typically French thing. If the report started with "Dear Colleague," I'd simply end with "Sincerely," "Yours truly," or whatever is commonly used in your area.
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Jennifer White
: Don't understand the neutral - this is fine.
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Thanks Jennifer!
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Dorianne Mifsud
: Kind regards would also be suitable in EN and possibly less formal than "Yours truly" or "yours sincerely".
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Thanks Dorianne!
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AllegroTrans
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Thanks!
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Daryo
: you can't turn a formulation used between peers/colleagues into a generic one-fits-all one, on the pretext that it's not customary in the target language.
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My answer is neither a pretext, nor a generic one-fits-all, it simply represents how any normal person would sign a letter in English. I do not believe that used by a doctor would be different to that in general usage.
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philgoddard
: Yes you can, Daryo.
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Thanks Phil!
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Yolanda Broad
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Thanks Yolanda!
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Yvonne Gallagher
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Thanks Yvonne!
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Fraternally Yours
Used in 'fraternity' circles, for instance by professionals in the medical field.
(Or Yours Fraternally)
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http://chestofbooks.com/languages/english/Composition/57-The...
https://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definition/Fraternall...
(Collins)
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writeaway
: convincing refs to back 100% confidence/ref one mentions it but only in passing and not in context and ref 2 doesn't apply at all
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Sure- please check my update with a couple of references- I can provide you with other refs if you need (lots available). This formal letter closing is often used by MDs. Have a good day.
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Jennifer White
: This is not commonly used - in fact, I've never seen it used/ Cheers. You too.
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Thank you for your comment, Jennifer. As I mentioned in my post, it's used in collegiate instances, mostly by MDs and in other types of 'fraternity' circles. Enjoy your day.
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Sue Davis
: I have never ever seen this used
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AllegroTrans
: not used by real EN spkg doctors
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It is used by doctors-even the 'real EN spkg doctors' (as opposed to 'fake En spkg doctors?')
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Daryo
: you misinterpreted "confrère" as "frère", leads to quite different connotations!
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Collegially yours
and Developmental Biology Upstate Medical University, Syracuse These PDF ...
www.uupinfo.org/guides/acad03P1.pdf -
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The Correspondence of Sigmund Freud and Sándor Ferenczi: 1908-1914
https://books.google.fr/books?isbn=0674174186 - Traduire cette page
Sigmund Freud, Sándor Ferenczi, Eva Brabant - 1993 - Psychology
... contraction, and hyperesthesia) for further diagnostic clarification and, one hopes, the introduction of a successful local therapy. Collegially yours, Freud 1 .
Mathematics Teachers at Work: Connecting Curriculum Materials and ...
https://books.google.fr/books?isbn=1135855633 - Traduire cette page
Janine T. Remillard, Beth A. Herbel-Eisenmann, Gwendolyn M. Lloyd - 2011 - Education
Collegially yours, The members of the El Barrio-Hunter College PDS Partnership Writing Collective (Raquel Corujo, Priscilla Gelinas, Patricia Maiorano, Fadwa ...
Lying about the Wolf: Essays in Culture and Education
https://books.google.fr/books?isbn=0773515356 - Traduire cette page
David Solway - 1997 - Education
Collegially yours, Edwin Holland IO Jacques Barzun, casting a jaundiced glance from his position of eminence, writes: “At the moment, it seems to me that ...
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Jennifer White
: Never seen this used. It may be "correct" but is not common usage
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Just as bien confraternellement is rarely used.
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Sue Davis
: I have never seen this used either
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Well google and check you will see.
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AllegroTrans
: never, even if there are ghits, ask a real doctor.../ well I have seen dozens of EN native language doctor-to-doctor reports and have never seen this
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You better ask in this case! My teaching hospital is full of doctors. Even Freud used it.
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Daryo
: I think it makes more sense to stay close to the original formulation, rather than look for "equivalent" formulation.
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Thank you.
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