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Nov 28, 2013 17:25
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French term

joint beurré

French to English Tech/Engineering Construction / Civil Engineering bricklaying
Target=UK

Pour les briques les joints peuvent faire 25% de la surface. Ils peuvent être réalisés de plusieurs façons :
pleins, en retrait, concaves, chanfreinés, beurrés, à reflux.

I have found a wordreference thread on the subject, but I'm not satisfied with the translation.

Anyone ever come across this?
Proposed translations (English)
5 overtrowelled
3 +1 buttered joint
References
Types of joints in masonry

Discussion

Didier Fourcot Nov 29, 2013:
Not so common on bricks? 25% of the surface on bricks will probably considered a poor execution even on the south side of the channel, "beurré" is commonly used on lime stones in country houses in France, and "overgrout" could be a proper description: fill the gaps and "butter" a bit around onto the stones, for a more or less flat finish of the grout with stones appearing partly here and there.

As usual bricks have a flat side and should be properly aligned, I have to imagine very old or irregular bricks (perhaps worn, broken?) if a "joint beurré" may be envisioned
Miranda Joubioux (X) (asker) Nov 29, 2013:
Yes, Tony, you're right of course. I've made a suggestion to the author with this in mind and we'll see what happens. Since I'm not actually describing a joint, just giving examples, it's not that important. Bourth (who we no longer see here) has made a suggestion, if the author needs a real reference. He has managed to come up with 'overgrout'. Personally I don't like it.
Tony M Nov 28, 2013:
One of the problems here... ...is that this type of pointing is not commonly used, at least in the UK — in many instances, it is even cited as an example of poorly-executed pointing!

Proposed translations

+1
39 mins

buttered joint

Cf.:

Dictionary Of Civil Engineering: English-French:
“BUTTERED JOINT
joint beurré”
(http://books.google.be/books?id=nBdX0BGBEvwC&pg=PA143&lpg=PA...
Peer comment(s):
agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne
1 hr
neutral Tony M : That's actually a different thing again; 'buttering' refers to pre-loading the brick surfaces with mortar before laying.
2 hrs
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18 hrs

overtrowelled

Found in Dicobat who specifies it for UK, this is the paper version, Dicobat on line is on subscription sorry, confirmed by an other reference below (that could have copied Dicobat?)

Paper reference:
Dicobat 10
2012
Jean de Vigan,
Editions Arcature


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Note added at 22 heures (2013-11-29 15:53:51 GMT)
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@Miranda: my understanding if "overtrowelled" is rather "fortement lissé", but this is one of the meanings of "beurré" both for grout and for joints, and this could be why there is also "à reflux" that should be rather overfill or convex, but without this smoothing by overtrowelling
Example sentence:

http://www.iau-idf.fr/detail/etude/vers-une-reconnaissance-du-patrimoine-bati-dile-de-france-les-materiaux-et-le.html

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lebaronmichel/5342582149/

Reference:

http://soft-informatique.com/BatiTerms.Pro/mobile/recherche.php?id=758&nom=Beurr%E9

http://www.dicobatonline.fr

Note from asker:
I found 'overtrowelled' in Dicobat myself, but the definition given did not refer to the joint.
If you can find me a reference to an overtrowelled brickwork joint somewhere, I'll reconsider this - having said that, the client is happy with my suggestion of another type of joint to replace it.
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Reference comments

31 mins
Reference:

Types of joints in masonry

Note from asker:
Thanks for those references!
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree mchd
4 hrs
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