Feb 3, 2024 01:53
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French term
à assemblage brisé ou curviligne
French to English
Art/Literary
Architecture
From a French book about domestic architecture in the Arabian Peninsula.
"Ces lignes brisées sur les voussoirs semblent être des réminiscences de voussoirs à assemblage brisé ou curviligne, souvent polychromes, que les architectures mamlouke et ottomane ont beaucoup goûtés"
As so often happens with translation, I know exactly what this is referring to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joggle_(architecture)] but am unsure as to how to word it! Does anyone have any suggestions?
"Ces lignes brisées sur les voussoirs semblent être des réminiscences de voussoirs à assemblage brisé ou curviligne, souvent polychromes, que les architectures mamlouke et ottomane ont beaucoup goûtés"
As so often happens with translation, I know exactly what this is referring to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joggle_(architecture)] but am unsure as to how to word it! Does anyone have any suggestions?
Proposed translations
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assemblies of interlocking/joggled or wavy voussoirs
Turn it around as 'hark-backs to the assemblies of interlocking/joggled or wavy voussoirs', maybe.
"The assembly of voussoirs creates a cohesive and stable structure"
"The assembly of voussoirs in masonry arches is a long away from being ideal, with high variability in the shapes of masonry pieces"
"the timber centering is used to hold the voussoirs in place before the keystone is finally placed as a lock to the assembly of voussoirs"
"He recommended making and testing a full-scale voussoir assembly"
"First floor of hall range has 3-brick plat band, 2-light casement, blind window with wavy voussoirs
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"The assembly of voussoirs creates a cohesive and stable structure"
"The assembly of voussoirs in masonry arches is a long away from being ideal, with high variability in the shapes of masonry pieces"
"the timber centering is used to hold the voussoirs in place before the keystone is finally placed as a lock to the assembly of voussoirs"
"He recommended making and testing a full-scale voussoir assembly"
"First floor of hall range has 3-brick plat band, 2-light casement, blind window with wavy voussoirs
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Schtroumpf (X)
: Pour l'instant c'est celle-là que je préfère.
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1 day 4 hrs
voussoirs forming pointed or curved arches
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8pdYzOOFEKc/maxresdefault.jpg
Voussoirs are the wedge-shaped stones forming an arch. The arch itself can be either curved or pointed.
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Note added at 1 day 4 hrs (2024-02-04 06:18:31 GMT)
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You could omit "voussoirs forming" to avoid repetition of "voussoirs".
Voussoirs are the wedge-shaped stones forming an arch. The arch itself can be either curved or pointed.
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Note added at 1 day 4 hrs (2024-02-04 06:18:31 GMT)
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You could omit "voussoirs forming" to avoid repetition of "voussoirs".
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1 day 15 hrs
broken lines (e.g. meandering or triangular), key or curvilinear pattern
Unfortunately, we only know that these ornaments date from the Ottoman period and were used in Arabia, but not exactly what they look like. Apparently Ruth is not aware of this either. So we can only try to offer generic terms that cover a variety of different designs. On the other hand, such patterns were and are known worldwide from all periods, so we are not limited to Arabia and the period from the 14th to the 19th century.
A meander or meandros (Greek: Μαίανδρος) is a decorative border constructed from a continuous line, shaped into a repeated motif. Among some Italians, these patterns are known as "Greek Lines". Such a design may also be called the Greek fret or Greek key design, although these terms are modern designations even though the decorative motif appears thousands of years before that culture, thousands of miles away from Greece, and among cultures that are continents away from it.
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Byzantine meander on the south-west door, unknown architect or sculptor, 829-842, bronze, Hagia Sophia, Istanbul, Turkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meander_(art)
Key pattern is the generic term for an interlocking geometric motif made from straight lines or bars that intersect to form rectilinear spiral shapes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_pattern
The parties of triangles can be rectilinear and curvilinear.
Les parties des triangles peuvent être rectiligne et curviligne.
https://context.reverso.net/übersetzung/englisch-franzosisch...
An overview of the decoration elements from the first two layers in Pod reveals a relatively modest spectrum of linear, incised motifs, such as simple or double zigzag lines, both horizontal and vertical (Fig. 3/22-23), rows of bigger or smaller chevrons (Fig. 3/34), ladder-like bands (Fig. 3/35-36) and hatched triangles ( Fig. 3/38-43). Among the curvilinear ornaments are crescents (Figs. 3/25, 28; 4/24, 27), opposed bow lines (Fig. 3/48) and circles (Fig. 3/45),
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Pottery-and-incised-orna...
… includes both rectilinear and complex curvilinear motifs, often in conjunction with each other. The simplest rectilinear-geometric pattern consists of stripes (simple or covered vertically or inclined lines), rhombuses, squares, rectangles,triangles, zigzags, inscribed triangles, light and dark squares arrange in a checkerboard order, hexagons, diagonally crossed squares and rectangles, crosses made up of rhombs, grids and the like. Curvilinear ornaments include lyroid patters, various types of spirals (single, paired and S-shaped), horn-shaped figures, crosses (branched at the ends or having rhomboid thickening on them), “wave”, a figure similar to the heart, with a diamond or cross at the top, an arc, arcs with crosses at the junction, palmettos, almond-shaped figures, four-petal rosettes and a circulating pattern.
https://m.vk.com/wall-21242429_215096?lang=en
His blending of Grecian columns with spiral and curvilinear ornaments blends the emphasis on proportion with an updated sense of movement.
https://gohighbrow.com/classicism/
Chalcolithic pottery with bold curvilinear ornaments in fantastic style owes its origins to the meandroid patterns of the C.H seals.
https://www.catalhoyuk.com/archive_reports/1997/ar97_18.html
The selamlık kiosk is remarkable with its carved wooden eaves, curvilinear ornaments and wooden adornment elements. Inside, the main space is densely adorned with vegetative ornaments and other recurrent decorative motives.
https://pdf.sciencedirectassets.com/277811/1-s2.0-S187704281...
The Vienna Secessionists used geometric and natural forms, free curvilinear ornaments as well as abstract representations with artistic freedom.
https://www.osmanlimirasi.net/dergi/emergence-of-the-istanbu...
A meander or meandros (Greek: Μαίανδρος) is a decorative border constructed from a continuous line, shaped into a repeated motif. Among some Italians, these patterns are known as "Greek Lines". Such a design may also be called the Greek fret or Greek key design, although these terms are modern designations even though the decorative motif appears thousands of years before that culture, thousands of miles away from Greece, and among cultures that are continents away from it.
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Byzantine meander on the south-west door, unknown architect or sculptor, 829-842, bronze, Hagia Sophia, Istanbul, Turkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meander_(art)
Key pattern is the generic term for an interlocking geometric motif made from straight lines or bars that intersect to form rectilinear spiral shapes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_pattern
The parties of triangles can be rectilinear and curvilinear.
Les parties des triangles peuvent être rectiligne et curviligne.
https://context.reverso.net/übersetzung/englisch-franzosisch...
An overview of the decoration elements from the first two layers in Pod reveals a relatively modest spectrum of linear, incised motifs, such as simple or double zigzag lines, both horizontal and vertical (Fig. 3/22-23), rows of bigger or smaller chevrons (Fig. 3/34), ladder-like bands (Fig. 3/35-36) and hatched triangles ( Fig. 3/38-43). Among the curvilinear ornaments are crescents (Figs. 3/25, 28; 4/24, 27), opposed bow lines (Fig. 3/48) and circles (Fig. 3/45),
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Pottery-and-incised-orna...
… includes both rectilinear and complex curvilinear motifs, often in conjunction with each other. The simplest rectilinear-geometric pattern consists of stripes (simple or covered vertically or inclined lines), rhombuses, squares, rectangles,triangles, zigzags, inscribed triangles, light and dark squares arrange in a checkerboard order, hexagons, diagonally crossed squares and rectangles, crosses made up of rhombs, grids and the like. Curvilinear ornaments include lyroid patters, various types of spirals (single, paired and S-shaped), horn-shaped figures, crosses (branched at the ends or having rhomboid thickening on them), “wave”, a figure similar to the heart, with a diamond or cross at the top, an arc, arcs with crosses at the junction, palmettos, almond-shaped figures, four-petal rosettes and a circulating pattern.
https://m.vk.com/wall-21242429_215096?lang=en
His blending of Grecian columns with spiral and curvilinear ornaments blends the emphasis on proportion with an updated sense of movement.
https://gohighbrow.com/classicism/
Chalcolithic pottery with bold curvilinear ornaments in fantastic style owes its origins to the meandroid patterns of the C.H seals.
https://www.catalhoyuk.com/archive_reports/1997/ar97_18.html
The selamlık kiosk is remarkable with its carved wooden eaves, curvilinear ornaments and wooden adornment elements. Inside, the main space is densely adorned with vegetative ornaments and other recurrent decorative motives.
https://pdf.sciencedirectassets.com/277811/1-s2.0-S187704281...
The Vienna Secessionists used geometric and natural forms, free curvilinear ornaments as well as abstract representations with artistic freedom.
https://www.osmanlimirasi.net/dergi/emergence-of-the-istanbu...
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Schtroumpf (X)
: Meandering? Key pattern?? No Sir.
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Reference comments
1 day 13 hrs
Reference:
voir
https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/551479916850442590/
4 Apr 2012 — Comment distinguer les différentes lignes : courbes , ****brisées (polygonale)**** et droites. Exercices, cours, fiches à imprimer pour le collège ...
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https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/architecture/23...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voussoir
A voussoir (/vuˈswɑːr/) is a wedge-shaped element, typically a stone, which is used in building an arch or vault.[1]
Although each unit in an arch or vault is a voussoir, two units are of distinct functional importance: the keystone and the springer. The keystone is the centre stone or masonry unit at the apex of an arch. The springer is the lowest voussoir on each side, located where the curve of the arch springs from the vertical support or abutment of the wall or pier.[1]
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https://www.british-history.ac.uk/rchme/york/vol3/pp134-139
Voussoirs—The wedge-shaped stones forming an arch.
4 Apr 2012 — Comment distinguer les différentes lignes : courbes , ****brisées (polygonale)**** et droites. Exercices, cours, fiches à imprimer pour le collège ...
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https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/architecture/23...
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Note added at 1 día 13 horas (2024-02-04 15:32:39 GMT)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voussoir
A voussoir (/vuˈswɑːr/) is a wedge-shaped element, typically a stone, which is used in building an arch or vault.[1]
Although each unit in an arch or vault is a voussoir, two units are of distinct functional importance: the keystone and the springer. The keystone is the centre stone or masonry unit at the apex of an arch. The springer is the lowest voussoir on each side, located where the curve of the arch springs from the vertical support or abutment of the wall or pier.[1]
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https://www.british-history.ac.uk/rchme/york/vol3/pp134-139
Voussoirs—The wedge-shaped stones forming an arch.
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Schtroumpf (X)
: Définition que certains gagneraient à assimiler avant de prendre la parole !!
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Discussion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-centred_arch
Sinan Pasha Mosque interior
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Sinan_Pa...
For ornaments see:
Northeast entrance portal, with ablaq masonry (2006 photo)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosque_of_al-Zahir_Baybars
Rekonstruierte Rosette, Milentija Ende 14. oder Anfang 15 Jh.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morava-Schule#/media/Datei:L...
Note the incorporated scallop ornaments.
For curviligne I can't help thinking of 'trilobed/trefoil' arches (see image).
For brisé I think arc brisé, so ogival or pointed arches, a feature of many architectural styles, including Byzantine (see same image, below the trefoil arch).
https://www.architetturadipietra.it/wp/?p=4731
As you get to the terrace, you cannot fail to be amazed by the polygonal wall with its perfectly-matching, arabesque-like curvilinear joints. [...]
So if you're that sure, what's wrong with an expression like "voussoirs using/incorporating joggles"? But in fact "assemblage curviligne" gives little in the way of ghits, which is suspicious, and also means we don't get to see any images of such voussoirs. "assemblage brisé" doesn't produce any useful images either.
Take a look at this: https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionnaire_raisonné_de_l’ar...
If you are completely confident that assemblage brisé isn't referring to voussoirs along those lines, it'd be nice if you could give more info about what makes you so confident that you already know the answer and, since you seem to say you already know the answer, about why you're needing to ask for one ...