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Lowlands
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Obscure: derived from a ballad or song connected with the Netherlands?
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Lowlands
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Sea shanties
There is this sea shanty called "Lowlands" or "Lowlands Away" (popularised by the game Assassin's Creed 4 and movies such as Moby Dick [2011] and Treasure Island [2012]). There are numerous versions, but they generally feature the chorus "Lowlands, lowlands away, my John". So the first verse goes something like this:
I dreamed a dream the other night
Lowlands, lowlands, away my John
I dreamed a dream the other night
Lowlands, my lowlands, away.
One version features this ending:
My love is drowned in the windy Lowlands,
Lowlands, lowlands, away my John
My love is drowned in the windy Lowlands.
Lowlands, my lowlands, away.
Depending on the version, the shanty usually portrays either the dream of a sailor who sees his beloved in his sleep and realises that she is dead; or the dream of a girl who similarly dreams of her sailor boyfriend being dead.
I am not sure whether "Lowlands" here has any meaning? Or is it just a poetic chorus? Perhaps a corruption of an earlier version, or brought over from another song? It just doesn't seem to tie in with the rest, but I don't know much about sea shanties.
I dreamed a dream the other night
Lowlands, lowlands, away my John
I dreamed a dream the other night
Lowlands, my lowlands, away.
One version features this ending:
My love is drowned in the windy Lowlands,
Lowlands, lowlands, away my John
My love is drowned in the windy Lowlands.
Lowlands, my lowlands, away.
Depending on the version, the shanty usually portrays either the dream of a sailor who sees his beloved in his sleep and realises that she is dead; or the dream of a girl who similarly dreams of her sailor boyfriend being dead.
I am not sure whether "Lowlands" here has any meaning? Or is it just a poetic chorus? Perhaps a corruption of an earlier version, or brought over from another song? It just doesn't seem to tie in with the rest, but I don't know much about sea shanties.
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Obscure: derived from a ballad or song connected with the Netherlands?
It's really impossible to say. "Lowlands Away" exists in many versions and certainly goes back to the nineteenth century. Some versions are about a dead lover; others are about poor pay and conditions for negro sailors, with the refrain "A dollar and a half a day". The reference to the Lowlands is probably a lyric fragment from an earlier ballad, possibly referring to the Netherlands, though it could be associated with the Lowlands of Virginia.
Here are some references:
From A. L. Lloyd's sleeve notes to Anne Briggs's version (1964):
"The song is a bit of a mystery. It has often been found in tradition in Britain and USA but always as a sailor shanty, usually sung while working at the pumps. Two distinct sets of words accompany the tune: one text tells the present story of the dead lover who returns; the other text concerns the work and pay of cotton-lumbers in the port of Mobile, Alabama. Deceived by the latter version, some specialists declare it to be a Negro song. More likely, it's a fragment of an Anglo-Scots ballad, full form forgotten, that lived on among British seamen who passed it on to longshoremen in the Gulf ports. The “Lowlands” refrain may be an echo from the old ballad of The Golden Vanity. Captain Whall, best of the pioneer shanty collectors, says that in Liverpool in the old days a crew of merchant seaman was often spoken of as “the Johns” so the term “my John” in the ballad is no more personal than “my lad”."
http://mainlynorfolk.info/anne.briggs/songs/lowlands.html
The Golden Vanity is about Sir Walter Raleigh building a ship in the Netherlands:
http://mainlynorfolk.info/lloyd/songs/thegoldenvanity.html
W. L. Alden commented in 1882:
"Perhaps the wildest, most mournful, of all sailor songs is "Lowlands." The chorus is even more than usually meaningless, but the song is the sighing of the wind and the throbbing of the restless ocean translated into melody."
The possible association with the Netherlands:
"This tune pattern ("Lowlands, lowlands away, my John...," with final line either "My lowlands away" or "My dollar and a half a day") has been used for at least three separate plots (which have perhaps cross-fertilized a bit): A dead sailor, a dead sailor's girl, and a more lyric piece about the bad conditions sailors face, the latter often having the "dollar and a half" refrain.
Shay, who apparently regards the dead sailor version as original, thinks this lyric item a much-decayed version of "The Lowlands of Holland." This is certainly possible, especially thematically, but there is a lot of evolution along the way...."
The foregoing is from the following thread, which contains a huge amount of information about this song and its possible origins and connections:
http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=134132
"No versions collected from tradition have the "dream" lover: they are all complaints about the pay rates for cotton hoosiers in Mobile, or other Gulf ports, with the second refrain being not "Lowlands away", but "My dollar-and-a-half a day".
"Lowlands" is found in the chorus of several other shanties and sea songs, but the dream lover appears only in the forebitters:
- The Island Lass is given as a West Indian halyard shanty by Hugill, with a chorus of "Lowlands, lowlands, lowlands low"
- The Five Gallon Jar was sung at capstan and pumps, with a chorus of "In the old Virginia lowlands low".
- The Golden Vanity is not normally regarded as a shanty, but Hugill claims to have sung it at capstan and pumps, with its "Sailing in the lowlands low" chorus.
- Young Edwin in the Lowlands is not a shanty, but has the dead sailor appearing to his love in a dream
- The Lowlands of Holland has the apparition at the bedside, and the girl deciding to remove any trace of beauty or attractiveness, and may be where Masefield got the idea from."
http://www.shanty.org.uk/archive_songs/lowlands-away.html
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Could "my love is drowned in the windy Lowlands" ultimately echo a folk memory of the Anglo-Spanish conflict during the Dutch War of Independence (late sixteenth-early seventeenth century)? It seems a long shot, but who knows?
Here are some references:
From A. L. Lloyd's sleeve notes to Anne Briggs's version (1964):
"The song is a bit of a mystery. It has often been found in tradition in Britain and USA but always as a sailor shanty, usually sung while working at the pumps. Two distinct sets of words accompany the tune: one text tells the present story of the dead lover who returns; the other text concerns the work and pay of cotton-lumbers in the port of Mobile, Alabama. Deceived by the latter version, some specialists declare it to be a Negro song. More likely, it's a fragment of an Anglo-Scots ballad, full form forgotten, that lived on among British seamen who passed it on to longshoremen in the Gulf ports. The “Lowlands” refrain may be an echo from the old ballad of The Golden Vanity. Captain Whall, best of the pioneer shanty collectors, says that in Liverpool in the old days a crew of merchant seaman was often spoken of as “the Johns” so the term “my John” in the ballad is no more personal than “my lad”."
http://mainlynorfolk.info/anne.briggs/songs/lowlands.html
The Golden Vanity is about Sir Walter Raleigh building a ship in the Netherlands:
http://mainlynorfolk.info/lloyd/songs/thegoldenvanity.html
W. L. Alden commented in 1882:
"Perhaps the wildest, most mournful, of all sailor songs is "Lowlands." The chorus is even more than usually meaningless, but the song is the sighing of the wind and the throbbing of the restless ocean translated into melody."
The possible association with the Netherlands:
"This tune pattern ("Lowlands, lowlands away, my John...," with final line either "My lowlands away" or "My dollar and a half a day") has been used for at least three separate plots (which have perhaps cross-fertilized a bit): A dead sailor, a dead sailor's girl, and a more lyric piece about the bad conditions sailors face, the latter often having the "dollar and a half" refrain.
Shay, who apparently regards the dead sailor version as original, thinks this lyric item a much-decayed version of "The Lowlands of Holland." This is certainly possible, especially thematically, but there is a lot of evolution along the way...."
The foregoing is from the following thread, which contains a huge amount of information about this song and its possible origins and connections:
http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=134132
"No versions collected from tradition have the "dream" lover: they are all complaints about the pay rates for cotton hoosiers in Mobile, or other Gulf ports, with the second refrain being not "Lowlands away", but "My dollar-and-a-half a day".
"Lowlands" is found in the chorus of several other shanties and sea songs, but the dream lover appears only in the forebitters:
- The Island Lass is given as a West Indian halyard shanty by Hugill, with a chorus of "Lowlands, lowlands, lowlands low"
- The Five Gallon Jar was sung at capstan and pumps, with a chorus of "In the old Virginia lowlands low".
- The Golden Vanity is not normally regarded as a shanty, but Hugill claims to have sung it at capstan and pumps, with its "Sailing in the lowlands low" chorus.
- Young Edwin in the Lowlands is not a shanty, but has the dead sailor appearing to his love in a dream
- The Lowlands of Holland has the apparition at the bedside, and the girl deciding to remove any trace of beauty or attractiveness, and may be where Masefield got the idea from."
http://www.shanty.org.uk/archive_songs/lowlands-away.html
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Note added at 8 hrs (2014-03-27 07:02:35 GMT)
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Could "my love is drowned in the windy Lowlands" ultimately echo a folk memory of the Anglo-Spanish conflict during the Dutch War of Independence (late sixteenth-early seventeenth century)? It seems a long shot, but who knows?
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Comment: "Thank you very much, both answers were very informative but I think this one was a little closer to what I was looking for."
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pulling up a snagged anchor
Origins
There is quite some debate about the origins of Lowlands, or 'Lowlands Away' as it is also known. It is sometimes claimed as Scottish, sometimes as English, and sometimes as American. There is also debate about whether it is a sea-shanty or a ballad. Sea-shanties were working songs, sung in rhythm to a particular job. For example, Capstan ballads were chanted whilst raising or lowering sails; other songs were sung whilst manning pumps. Often shanties have a call and response structure (think of 'Haul Away Joe' for example). I guess this allowed one sailor to set the rhythm of work for the others.
In terms of its call and response structure, 'Lowlands' obviously fits the shanty mode. But is it just too slow and mournful to be a work song? Well, the answer may be 'not necessarily'. Different jobs were executed at different paces. Some jobs, such as pulling up a snagged anchor, might require a very slow tempo indeed. In addition to the call-and-response format, there is also some other evidence that points towards the seafaring community. Firstly, the subject-matter (a drowned sailor). Secondly, the use of the phrase “my John” (no, this doesn't refer to a WC!). 'Johns' was a collective noun used in the nineteenth century to describe a ship's deckhands. So the phrase 'my John' doesn't necessarily invoke a person's name; rather it is the equivalent of 'my sailor' or 'my deckhand'. Possibly 'Lowlands' might have its origins in an earlier, now-lost Anglo-Scots ballad, but all the evidence seems to point towards its being sung at sea.
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"my John" = "deckhand"
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Note added at 1 hr (2014-03-26 23:26:12 GMT)
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really not sure if it refers to pulling up a snagged anchor but sounds right
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Note added at 4 hrs (2014-03-27 02:32:58 GMT)
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all to do with chant and response and maybe just "pull" or something similar
There is quite some debate about the origins of Lowlands, or 'Lowlands Away' as it is also known. It is sometimes claimed as Scottish, sometimes as English, and sometimes as American. There is also debate about whether it is a sea-shanty or a ballad. Sea-shanties were working songs, sung in rhythm to a particular job. For example, Capstan ballads were chanted whilst raising or lowering sails; other songs were sung whilst manning pumps. Often shanties have a call and response structure (think of 'Haul Away Joe' for example). I guess this allowed one sailor to set the rhythm of work for the others.
In terms of its call and response structure, 'Lowlands' obviously fits the shanty mode. But is it just too slow and mournful to be a work song? Well, the answer may be 'not necessarily'. Different jobs were executed at different paces. Some jobs, such as pulling up a snagged anchor, might require a very slow tempo indeed. In addition to the call-and-response format, there is also some other evidence that points towards the seafaring community. Firstly, the subject-matter (a drowned sailor). Secondly, the use of the phrase “my John” (no, this doesn't refer to a WC!). 'Johns' was a collective noun used in the nineteenth century to describe a ship's deckhands. So the phrase 'my John' doesn't necessarily invoke a person's name; rather it is the equivalent of 'my sailor' or 'my deckhand'. Possibly 'Lowlands' might have its origins in an earlier, now-lost Anglo-Scots ballad, but all the evidence seems to point towards its being sung at sea.
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Note added at 1 hr (2014-03-26 23:24:21 GMT)
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"my John" = "deckhand"
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Note added at 1 hr (2014-03-26 23:26:12 GMT)
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really not sure if it refers to pulling up a snagged anchor but sounds right
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Note added at 4 hrs (2014-03-27 02:32:58 GMT)
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all to do with chant and response and maybe just "pull" or something similar
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