Jun 26, 2008 18:55
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the Elder
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Could you please tell me how to translate the specific name such as
"King Inge the Elder"?
"King Inge the Elder"?
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two people with the same name
You're right - if two related people have the same name, the older one may be referred to as "the elder" and the other as "the younger"
Pieter Bruegel (about 1525-69), usually known as Pieter Bruegel the Elder to distinguish him from his elder son, was the first in a family of Flemish ...
www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/bruegel/
Pieter Bruegel (about 1525-69), usually known as Pieter Bruegel the Elder to distinguish him from his elder son, was the first in a family of Flemish ...
www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/bruegel/
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Egil Presttun
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kmtext
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: So much so as the "Elders" are the older and wiser "half" in a community, as opposed to the "youngers" (not so wise). Of course here this use to distinguish between homonimous does not apply, but they use a comparative to set 2 age classes apart.Maurizio
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Gert Sass (M.A.)
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senior
Since you might be asking for an explanation: The Elder/Younger is used to distinguish between namesakes (two persons bearing the same name), quite analogous to the use of "senior/junior" (or sr./jr.)
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Will Matter
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the older or more senior of the two
"Elder" or "the Elder" usually simply means "the older of two people with the same name". This usage is a little archaic or old-fashioned, the modern equivalent would now usually be the name followed by Sr. (Senior) for the older person and the same name followed by Jr. (Junior) for the younger person. To quote Jack's example above the person called "William Pitt the Elder" was the father and his son (also named William Pitt) was called "William Pitt the Younger". This was done so that people would be able to distinguish the two (tell them apart). Look at the references provided for clear examples and more information. HTH.
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Gert Sass (M.A.)
: You might have realized that this answer just repeats what has been said "more earlier" / I see
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I agree. However, I didn't see either answer until I posted mine because I was writing my answer *while* you and Armorel were posting yours. When I started writing my answer NO other answers had been posted.
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