Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

What happen or what happened?

English answer:

what happened

Added to glossary by Ricardo Galarza
Feb 26, 2010 06:05
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English term

What happen or what happened?

Non-PRO English Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters Dialog
Which would be the correct form in the following dialog:

--You look upset, Jen. What happen (or happened)?
--I had a terrible day.
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Feb 26, 2010 07:41: writeaway changed "Field" from "Art/Literary" to "Other" , "Field (specific)" from "Marketing" to "General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters"

Feb 26, 2010 08:17: Rob Grayson changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

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Non-PRO (3): writeaway, SJLD, Rob Grayson

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Discussion

Maria Fokin Feb 26, 2010:
possible origins what happen -
Literally: "what happened?" Comes from some Japanese video game in a poor English translation.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=what happen

alternatively, when spoken fast the -ed at the end of "happened" is often not clearly said/heard. trying to write a conversation like that down results in "what happen" instead of the intended "what happened"

either way, whatever the origin, it is definitely slang and as mentioned before, not correct english, no matter how many times people write it down :-)
just as getting 190 million hits for "what you doing?" does not make it proper english
Craig Meulen Feb 26, 2010:
English as a foreign language ... is the language of the internet. Look closely at the first 50 hits for "what happen" and you'll see that many of them are forum entries. People all over the world write forum entries in English, although it is a foreign language for them. CONTEXT is important when evaluating google hits. Not just number of hits.
Monica Colangelo Feb 26, 2010:
What happen: totally, absolutely and unquestionably wrong.
Basic grammar. Asking "what happen" would be like asking "what be"
Jenni Lukac (X) Feb 26, 2010:
About your reference to the present tense, one might say "what's happening?" or "what's going on?" if it seems that the other person is being affected by an on-going situation and not something that occurred in the past and has concluded. "What happen" is definitely incorrect English.
Ricardo Galarza (asker) Feb 26, 2010:
Thanks, David. Point well taken, but it still doesn't answer my question in a convincing way.
Regards!
David Hollywood Feb 26, 2010:
I'm afraid that's the way of the world and the bottom line is that you shouldn't believe everything your read (especially on the Internet)
David Hollywood Feb 26, 2010:
in reply to your question about millions being wrong .... yes they are :)
Ricardo Galarza (asker) Feb 26, 2010:
I do I trust you, David, and I again thank you for your help. But you haven't yet answered why so many peope ask, "what happen", and even write it on the Internet (as I said, one million hits on Google).
David Hollywood Feb 26, 2010:
basically as a non-native speaker you have to appreciate the difference between events that have happened/have been happening, happen/are happening and will happen/will be happening, could happen/could be happening... etc. etc.: there are 32 tenses in English (active and passive) and it would be a long story to define every one of them and their applications but trust me that my interpretation of your context is appropriate :)
Ricardo Galarza (asker) Feb 26, 2010:
Interesting? How interesting! But if you can never ask "what happen?" how come you get a million hits on Google when typing the phrase? So many people wrong online?
David Hollywood Feb 26, 2010:
I'm an English teacher (well retired but still with a keen interest so I will explain the tense sequences)
David Hollywood Feb 26, 2010:
but as you are asking for the correct form in your questions I think our answers are ok
David Hollywood Feb 26, 2010:
your questions are very valid
David Hollywood Feb 26, 2010:
In English you can never ask "What happen?" but you can ask "What is happening?" (at the moment)

Responses

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what happened

The past tense, 'happened' is correct.

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In the context offered, you are asking what (events) happened that changed or effected Jen. She responds "I had a bad day". 'Had' is not the present. In her response she alludes to events that have already occurred that have made her look/seem upset, and have contributed to her having a bad day.

The following URLs offers some good examples of proper usage for the word 'happen'. (dictionary references) They may help to shed some light on this for you.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/happen
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/happen

The same conversation, stated differently, would work with the usage of 'happen'. Example:

"You look upset, Jen, did something happen? [did a change of some sort occur?]

"I had a terrible day."

"What happen"? is incomplete. It is, however used in slang omitting the 'ed'. It is not proper English, as David has done a good job explaining.

If you browse some of the the millions of hits on the net, and search through them, you may find many things. Most search engines pick up the 'search' word in any form. This helps people who are not native speakers to get where they may want to go.

Many sites I viewed where 'what happen' was used were entered by people who do not understand the many ways in which the word 'happen' can be used properly. I work with English language learners, who often adopt or confuse slang and seemingly become comfortable with this type of usage. This sort of usage is common slang: "What up"? "What happen?" What down"? I could go on and on, but the bottom line is that though you can use 'happen' many different ways, asking the question "What happen"? is always and forever incorrect. It's confusing, to be sure.

In the following URL (one of those million hits) is an excellent example of a key word being picked up by a search, yet the writer has very poor English language skills in many ways. Because the statement exists on the internet does not make it correct.

The 'search' function grabs any word and offers a million different possibilities, but does not affirm that the exact word or phrase used in the search is correct.

I very often see 'happen' used incorrectly when editing Chinese>English. That is a very easy mistake to make, due to the complexities of the English language.

I hope this helps a bit.



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http://www.ehelp.com/questions/10436338/what-happen-to-the-a...
Note from asker:
Hi Demi. Thank you so much for your help. But why is the past tense correct here? The conversation is taking place in the present. Does that mean that this question should never be formulated in the present tense (what happen?), or what is the rationale behind it? Because you type "what happen" in Google and you get a million (literally) hits.
Peer comment(s):

agree Jack Doughty : "What happen" is a slang form, wrong but often used; but sometimes you have to translate in a way that reflects such wrong usage.
1 hr
Thank you Jack, that is so true!
agree Peter Skipp : "Wha'appen?" is a London West Indian _greeting_. "What's up?", "What's happening?", "How goes it?" are formulaic half-greeting-half-questions. "What happened" is a question to clarify events. "What's happened" is a question immediately after an event.
4 hrs
Thank you, Peter. Yes, yes and yes!
agree Sébastien GUITTENY
8 hrs
Thank you, penfriend.
agree Ildiko Santana : Never ask 'what happen'. Period. :)
9 hrs
Thank you, ildiko. Absolutely!
agree Maria Fokin
9 hrs
Thank you, Maria.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "It did help and a lot, trust me. Thank you so much, Demi; you have a great weekend!"
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4 mins

What happened?

:)

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Note added at 6 mins (2010-02-26 06:12:11 GMT)
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or: What went on?

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Note added at 8 mins (2010-02-26 06:14:38 GMT)
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or: What got to you? (freer)
Note from asker:
Hi, David. Thanks again; I really appreciate your help. So when is one supposed to ask "what happen" in present tense?
Peer comment(s):

agree Stephanie Ezrol
5 hrs
agree Sébastien GUITTENY
8 hrs
agree Tina Vonhof (X) : 'What happen' is grammatically wrong period.
8 hrs
agree Ildiko Santana : Never ask 'what happen'. Period. :)
9 hrs
agree JaneTranslates : You can ask "what's happening," but never "what happen." You can also ask "What happens (if someone sticks a pin into an inflated balloon)." "What" takes a singular verb; "happen" is plural.
11 hrs
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2 hrs

what happened / what's happened / what's happening

I agree with earlier answerers, but I'd like a bit of space to comment.

I really don't understand where "what happen" comes from. The "s" on the 3rd person singular of the present tense is something that's taught in the first few lessons. You will find millions of "what happens" on the internet - what happens when/if you do something eg what happens when water reaches 100%C? - It boils.

The three answers I have given are all common. They refer to the following:

What happened? in the past (past simple)

What's happened? ('s = has, not is) in the past to make you sad/angry now (present perfect simple)

What's happening? now that's making you sad/angry (present continuous).

You could also use "what's been happening" - this is the present perfect continuous, which concentrates more on an action (eg my life's falling apart), rather than an event (eg my spouse left me)

But then again, as it's speech I wouldn't use the verb to happen at all! We'd say: What's up? What's the matter?


Peer comment(s):

agree Ildiko Santana : Now that the asker wants to use present tense (see below), 'what's happening' would also work. Just don't ever say 'what happen'. Period. :) // Yes. Actually, "what's happening" is more like saying "how's it going" (ever seen Office Space, the comedy? :)
7 hrs
Thanks. 'What's happening' for present tense usage works OK, though I prefer "What's the matter?" in this context
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5 hrs

what's up?/ what's the matter?

there's no particular reason why you have to use the verb "to happen" here, of course.
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