Nov 14, 2003 17:38
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English term

including but not limited to

English Bus/Financial
Is this sentence gramatically correct?
the debtor is required to produce schedules, including but not limited to: a statement of current....
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Jun 18, 2005 23:10: Fuad Yahya changed "Field" from "Other" to "Bus/Financial"

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Grammatically correct

I have seen similar sentences with a comma after "including." I assume that the colon introduces a list of items. I have seen a comma used there as well.

Of course, you would begin with a capital letter.

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Note added at 2003-11-15 19:02:52 (GMT)
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A note on David Moore\'s changed comment:

David Moore initially posted the following question along with his neutral vote: \"You would begin what with a capital letter?\"

My reply was: \"I would begin a sentence with a capital letter. Is that not done anymore?\"

To my reply, Kpy retorted, \"what sentence?\"

Willmatter\'s comment (below) addressed Kpy\'s retort pretty effectively before I got a chance to do so myself.

Then David Moore chose to reply to my reply with another question, which I will be happy to answer (below), but first I must address the method he used in posting his new question. He did so by deleting his first question and replacing it with the new question, effectively obliterating the sequence of questions and answers. David\'s new question makes sense only if put in the right sequence -- after my reply to the first question, not before. And my reply to his first question makes no sense after that question has been deleted.

David used the new feature that allows PorZers to edit their comments. I believe that this new feature should be used to edit comments, not to replace them with a reply to a reply to a deleted first comment. If one feels compelled to reply to a reply, there should be other ways. Until a satisfactory way is programmed into KudoZ, it is better to use the feature I am using here, which is to add a note to my answer. It is not a perfect tool, but at least it does not delete anything to which a reply has been posted, and it does not alter the dialogue sequence.

Now let me address David\'s question: \"Am I wrong then in thinking a sentence only begins after a full stop, or just old-fashioned?\" The answer is: You are wrong, not old-fashioned:

- If it is the first sentence, then it cannot begin after a full stop or anything else for that matter.

- If it is not the first sentence, then it can begin after a full stop (period), a question mark, or an exclamation point.

In the case we have here, the sentence is the first (and only) sentence quoted by the asker from his text. Therefore, it cannot be preceded by anything.

Of course, the quoted part may have been a fragment. The series of points at the end indicates that the sentence has a continuation, but no similar series of points were inserted to show that the word \"the\" is not the first word in the quoted sentence. Indeed, the asker himself identified the text he quoted as a sentence.
Peer comment(s):

neutral David Moore (X) : Am I wrong then in thinking a sentence only begins after a full stop, or just old-fashioned???
5 mins
I would begin a sentence with a capital letter. Is that not done anymore?
neutral Kpy : what sentence ?
18 mins
See willmatter's comment below. Thank you, Kpy.
agree Will Matter : agree with placement of comma idea, grammar is correct, and Fuad is also correct to start a sentence with a capital letter, above SHOULD start with "The debtor..and end with ..including, but not limited to" followed by either a comma or a colon.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Gracias!"
+22
1 min

including but not limited to

standard legal wording

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Note added at 2003-11-14 17:43:12 (GMT)
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It means the debtor must produce the schedules mentioned, but may have produce other things as well

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Note added at 2003-11-14 17:45:35 (GMT)
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sorry, that should read \"have to produce ...\"

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Note added at 2003-11-14 18:02:05 (GMT)
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It means the debtor must produce the schedules mentioned, but may have produce other things as well
Peer comment(s):

agree NGK
0 min
agree NancyLynn
4 mins
agree nyamuk
16 mins
agree Mario Marcolin
27 mins
agree vixen
40 mins
agree DGK T-I
43 mins
agree Monica Colangelo
53 mins
agree Will Matter : agree with this explanation, source text punctuation could use a little help....
54 mins
agree Francesca Siotto
1 hr
agree Attila Piróth
1 hr
agree Gordon Darroch (X)
2 hrs
agree Rahi Moosavi
2 hrs
agree RHELLER : yes!
4 hrs
agree achisholm : I translate patents all the time and this pops up at least 3-4 times in every one.
5 hrs
agree Rajan Chopra
10 hrs
agree Tanja Abramovic (X)
12 hrs
agree Marie Scarano
14 hrs
agree Dorota Cooper
17 hrs
agree Empty Whiskey Glass
1 day 1 hr
agree senin
1 day 4 hrs
agree Montefiore
1 day 13 hrs
agree Jörgen Slet
2 days 4 hrs
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+9
1 min

Perfectly correct

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Peer comment(s):

agree NGK
0 min
agree NancyLynn
4 mins
agree DGK T-I
43 mins
agree Will Matter : correct but not perfect, needs punctuation but grammar is acceptable (per the askers question).
1 hr
agree RHELLER
4 hrs
agree Rajan Chopra
10 hrs
agree Tanja Abramovic (X)
12 hrs
agree Empty Whiskey Glass
1 day 1 hr
agree Jörgen Slet
2 days 4 hrs
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2 mins

comprising the following items, among other

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+2
4 mins

including but not limited to...(correct)

I've translated it many times
Peer comment(s):

agree Will Matter : including, but.....
58 mins
True
agree Rajan Chopra
9 hrs
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+1
6 mins

Inclluyendo pero sin estar limitado a

Yes it is perfectly correct. It means that includes (in this case): "the statement of current..." but it is not limited to only that one, in case there are others not accounted for at that moment.
Peer comment(s):

agree melayujati
15 mins
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