Aug 13, 2002 15:12
22 yrs ago
English term

help with sentence

English Bus/Financial
"The paying authority lies with the health insurance companies and welfare departments."

From the context of the text, this sentence would mean "the health insurance companies have the obligation to pay." (I don't understand the word authority used in this context). Could someone try to 'imagine' the original text and rewrite the first sentence please?

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Aug 13, 2002:
my problem.. ..is not the term 'paying authority', but 'the authority lies with...'. Authority, as I understand, means the right or the power, never the 'obligation' (or as you suggested 'responsibility'). I feel it has been wrongly translated from German, or that I have not understood the context. I see a moderator has changed the language group of this question for English monologue. Oh well....

Responses

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The responsibility for payment lies with...

is my take

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Note added at 2002-08-13 15:33:39 (GMT)
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with nearly 500 hits in the internet the term \'paying authority\' is actually quite widespread

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Note added at 2002-08-13 15:37:25 (GMT)
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Xeniz, frankly I don\'t see your problem. The term \'paying authority\' is quite ubiquitous in the net and the meaning seems clear-what do you not understand?
Peer comment(s):

agree writeaway : I'm debating something else, but this certainly looks like a logical possiblity. A bit more context would not hurt matters.
7 mins
agree jerrie : obligation to pay up
3 hrs
agree Libero_Lang_Lab : Can't see why you need look further
20 hrs
agree Sue Crocker
2 days 20 hrs
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2 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "The original has been so badly translated that the meaning is not clear, although it seems to refer not to the autority (i.e. at discretion) to pay, but to the obligation, or responsibility."
+1
45 mins

the right to make (such) payments rests solely with...

you are authorized by someone to make payments
Reference:

BOMH

Peer comment(s):

agree Mary Rathle (X)
12 hrs
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+2
1 hr

Authority regarding payment.

This could define who can make the decision whether or not to pay. Having authority does not necessarily require the one who holds it to exercise it in favor of a third party, although sometimes that is the case. The one with authority may, however, also have discretion, in which case the authority to determine the outcome also represents power.
Peer comment(s):

agree cheungmo : The source sentence is badly constructed but this is the only meaning I can draw from it.
3 hrs
agree Sue Crocker
2 days 19 hrs
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+1
1 hr

Die Zahlungsentscheidung liegt bei...

Es geht m. E. ja nicht nur um die "Genehmigung", sondern mehr nohc um die Entscheidung ob/ob nicht bezahlt wird
Peer comment(s):

agree Susan Geiblinger : Ja.
1 hr
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2 hrs

a distortion of Zahlungspflicht

in the sense of its compulsory character? (Hypothesis).
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2 hrs

Try back translation of "authority" at www.dicdata.de

Of the long list of possibilities I'd imagine that:

Befugnis
Vollmacht
Ermächtigung

are the top 3 most likely candidates to have been (mis-) translated here, so feeding them into the same system DE-EN might help. Good luck with the detective work - sounds like quite a job to have landed...
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+2
3 hrs

authority to pay

It sounds like a mistranslation of the term "authority to pay" or A/P, meaning authorization (or discretion) to make payment.
In your case, it would mean that the parties with authority to make payment are the insurance companies and welfare departments. In other words, no other office is authorized to make payment.
You'll find plenty of examples of this on the Internet:

AUTHORITY TO PAY STATE AND LOCAL TAXES ON PROPERTY
AFTER ENTRY OF AN ORDER OF FORFEITURE

The Attorney General has discretionary authority to make payments of state and local tax claims against civilly forfeited property after a forfeiture order has issued, based on her equitable discretion to administer civilly forfeited property, under 21 U.S.C. § 881(b)-(e) and 28 U.S.C. § 524(c)(1).

OR (and I apologize about the depressing content):
"The Fiscal Year 1995 Appropriation Act for Interior and Related Agencies includes authority to pay funeral expenses for employees killed in the line of duty"

Peer comment(s):

agree R.J.Chadwick (X)
6 hrs
agree Anette Herbert : Yes, if "paying authority" is replaced with auth.to pay, the sentence makes perfect sense.
23 hrs
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3 days 17 hrs

Paying authority lies with

In English legalesque, eliminate the article ("the)
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