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SC: The whole Larry Project is about entering hidden, private spaces. In his house you found his diaries, and in his diaries his dreams…

KU: In his journal, he analyzed his dreams through the Jungian method. He learned enough from his therapist to identify archetypes like the feminine spirit, the masculine spirit or the shadow self, which is the darkest, guilty, shameful part of yourself.
I started going into that in the last year and an half myself, based on reading his journal. I’m having therapy emulating his therapy, a therapy based on core-self belief. You shake yourself of all the multiple selves and you go towards the identification of one being. Through my therapist, I found that I have a double self, she said, “That’s your shadow self, she is you”…

SC: Who?

KU: This girl. Crissy!

SC: Who is Crissy?

KU: Well, it’s just a very strange layer of events. So, I had a dream that I had killed somebody from my past. I told my therapist this dream and she said, “This girl, Crissy, is your projected self.”
Simultaneously, I was sewing a doll that was supposed to look like me. But it was driving me crazy because instead she was looking like Crissy R., a girl I went to high school with, twenty years ago. So my unconscious mind was even placed back in this time. That’s how I decided my twin’s name was Crissy. And now that I’m also having ***phone sex therapy***, I ask the phone operator to impersonate Crissy.

SC: Identical twin sisters engaged in sexual acts together are a trope of porn fantasies.

UK: Oh yeah… Hugh Hefner said, “it is every man fantasy to have sex with identical twin sisters.” And he recently said that his dream is to get, oddly enough because they are not big breasted, Mary K. & Ashley Olsen as centerfold.

SC: Crissy, your fictive self with whom you played in the Grotto, is embedded in a doll that you initially realized to look like Larry. The doll became a fetish, a constant in all the project’s phases…