To clarify for Ton:

"Spek" can also mean certain cuts of pork when qualified. (BUIKspek, spekLAPPEN)

This from:

http://www.varkensvlees.be/html/stuk_12.html

Buikspek

Om te bakken en te koken.

Wordt verwerkt tot licht gezouten doorregen spek, eventueel licht gerookt, tot mosterdspek in rollade of nog tot gestoomd en gegrild boterhammenspek. Buikspek vindt een plaatsje in tal van lekkernijen.

Note: "Wordt verwerkt....." i.e. "undergoes a process (curing) to become bacon"

Buikspek does not start out in life as bacon. Apart from that there is no such thing as "belly of bacon". (2 Google hits one of which reads " a full belly of bacon and eggs")

Conclusion: The disagree from Ton is totally unfounded, and those who agree are correct.

Amen




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Note added at 2004-07-24 08:58:16 (GMT)
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There can be no such thing as \"belly of lard\". Lard is a produce.

Lard is made up of 42% saturated fat (the fat that contributes to increased cholesterol levels) and 54 % unsaturated fat (the fat that contributes to lower cholesterol levels).

The fat of pigs or hogs melted down and made clear. Lard is MADE especially of the internal fat of the abdomen and is used in cooking.

How\'s that for \"culinary expertise\" or was it just research, or did I know anyway?

Amen 2

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There can be no such thing as \"belly of lard\". Lard is a produce.

Lard is made up of 42% saturated fat (the fat that contributes to increased cholesterol levels) and 54 % unsaturated fat (the fat that contributes to lower cholesterol levels).

The fat of pigs or hogs melted down and made clear. Lard is MADE especially of the internal fat of the abdomen and is used in cooking.

How\'s that for \"culinary expertise\" or was it just research, or did I know anyway?

Amen 2

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expatriate

noun {C} (INFORMAL expat)

someone who does not live in their own country:
- A large community of expatriates has settled there.

Considering 'spek'[<-- bacon] as 'varkensvlees' [<-- pork],
to all of our native team (most of them not only linguists, but gourmets as well)is a culinary atrocity.

Alternatives, depending on the context:
belly of bacon
perhaps even: lard (of) belly; belly of lard

References (among others):
All relevant publications of the GVD [<-- In order to explain to all present 'Eastern Winds' not: g..verdomme, maar de Grote van Dale!].

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Enormous thanks to all those, mainly British. languistic specialists from whom we gathered a lot about the knowledge about culinary items, pigs, butcher\'s etc., and positive appreciation of related fatty \'lekkernijen\'.
Ever heard about, let alone thought about translating pejorative expressions like \'spekglad\', \'spekjood\'. \'meedoen voor spek en bonen\' etc.?
Not many appear to have much idea about trendy, healthy disgusts for fatty \'meat\'.
Nobody up to now recognized the fact that \'pork\' and \'spek\' are far from equivalents.
More important: no one so far endeavoured to try any \'fine tuning\', getting more precise than the simple \'pork\' [for \'spek\'].

To the point:[though not expecting any constructive comment from this forum]
An initial attempt to get more precise rendering:

fat(ty) pork (of) belly
fat(ty) belly pork


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Wij zullen blijven benadrukken, ook al komt heel dit forum in opstand, dat vertalen vanuit Nederlands vaak minder gemakkelijk is dan veel \'beroeps\' pretenderen.
\'Kwaliteit voor kwantiteit\' blijft niet alleen ons standpunt, maar in beginsel van alle NGTV-leden en per definitie van beedigde vertalers.
Enige beedigde vertalers tussen David\'s ja-knikkers?
Een enkel medelid van het NGTV?
Een enkele Nederlander (m/v!

Voor ons is deze discussie in ettelijke opzichten nuttig geweest.
Nu weten we tenminste wie we niet voor revisie van vertalingen uit het Nederlands aan kunnen bevelen.
En waar vraagtekens gesteld zullen worden voor aanmeldingen bij het NGTV.