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胎次
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Dec 2, 2004 06:03
20 yrs ago
Chinese term

历史的先声, 往事并不如烟

Chinese to English Art/Literary Poetry & Literature novels
These are 2 Chinese novels that are banned in China. I need to know the English translation of them.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 Epoch Times and ...
3 +2 Just a suggestion
3 历史的先声 = Heralds of History - Solemn Promises Over Half a Century Ago

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Dec 2, 2004:
Both are great suggestions and besides the title Shang found on the Epoch Times for the latter, I can't find other ones on-line. I guess the publisher has not translated either of them to English yet. For the former, as Shang has explained what the book is about, I was going to translate it as "The Voices from the Past".
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Proposed translations

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Epoch Times and ...

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The Epoch Times, and The Past Doesn\'t Disappear Like Smoke


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http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=U&start=6&q=http://www.asiam...
Peer comment(s):
agree Wenjer Leuschel (X) : The Past Doesn't Disappear Like Smoke 是個好譯, 比較中性.
13 hrs
thanks!
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Just a suggestion

《歷史的先聲》指的應該是《<新華日報>、<解放日報>社論選：歷史的先聲－－半個世紀前的莊嚴承諾》這本書。書名若是由我決定英文譯名的話，我大概會用 "Prelude of a History"。暫緩解釋我為什麼會這麼個譯法。

章詒和的《往事並不如煙》，我大概會譯成 "Memories Are Still Vivid" 或 "Memories Are Never Lost" 或 "Memories Do Not Get Lost at All"。
"如煙" 的意思是 "像煙霧一樣散去或看不清了"，所以我會選擇這三種可能的譯法。

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Lesley 提供的 Heralds of History - Solemn Promises over Half a Century Ago 想必是洋人已經翻譯的書名，那是比較道地的。

至於 The Last Aristocrats 有點貶意，恐怕不是章詒和的本意，看看有哪位洋人讀過該書或至少讀過足夠的書介和書評，知道那本書說的是些什麼，那就有可能出現比較動人的英譯書名。
Peer comment(s):
agree jyuan_us : 翻译是啥？是一种功夫。
1 hr
也許是一種適應環境的生存藝術吧。
agree Angus Woo : Most likely this is the right anwser. Plus, the English is good.
21 hrs
書名或電影名最好以洋人做的翻譯為準. 這點我從一開頭就留言說了.
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Chinese term (edited): ��ʷ�����, ��²�������

历史的先声 = Heralds of History - Solemn Promises Over Half a Century Ago

Heralds of History - Solemn Promises Over Half a Century Ago, Shantou University Press, Guangdong province, September 1999

Print
... can be found in a book, a compilation of official editorials, Heralds of History -
Solemn Promises Over Half a Century Ago, Shantou University Press, Guangdong ...
www.chinastudygroup.org/print.php?type=news&id=5649 - 11k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

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Try 最后的贵族 - 往事并不如烟 作者:章诒和

http://us.yesasia.com/en/artIdxDept.aspx/aid-699816/code-c/s...

http://www.sttacas.org/vieweach.php?webleft=4&id=831
=> 最后的贵族 = The Last Aristocrats

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http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=cache:oq1DNKpTEgYJ:www.chin...

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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FE11Ad04.html
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