Nov 19, 2004 09:32
20 yrs ago
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French term
United Kingdom
BA(Hons), Dip Trans IOL, MCIL London
Native in: English
Works in: French to English, English
perfectionne l'apprentissage
Homework / test
French to English
Art/Literary
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
Art; painting
Context is an article about an exhibition featuring paintings by famous Art Deco painter Tamara de Lempicka, who studied with Andre Lhote in Paris early in her career.
The problem is 'perfectionne l'apprentissage' - not sure whether it means simply 'completed her training' or 'perfected her learning' (that sounds bad) or could it have a wider meaning here, something like 'perfected her technique'....? Here's the sentence:
'C'est chez Andre Llhote que la belle Polonaise perfectionne l'apprentissage de cette peinture mondaine qu'elle exploitera avec succes pendant plus de trente ans'
The problem is 'perfectionne l'apprentissage' - not sure whether it means simply 'completed her training' or 'perfected her learning' (that sounds bad) or could it have a wider meaning here, something like 'perfected her technique'....? Here's the sentence:
'C'est chez Andre Llhote que la belle Polonaise perfectionne l'apprentissage de cette peinture mondaine qu'elle exploitera avec succes pendant plus de trente ans'
Proposed translations
(English)
| 5 +3 | perfected her techniques |
umsarah
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| 4 +1 | perfected |
Richard George Elliott
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| 5 | advanced studies |
David Vaughn
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| 4 | ...gives further study to ... |
Francis MARC
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| 3 | advances her apprenticeship |
Maria Stoian
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Change log
Jul 6, 2011 12:35: Stéphanie Soudais (X) changed "Term asked" from "...perfectionne l\'apprentissage.... (see phrase)" to "perfectionne l\'apprentissage"
Proposed translations
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French term (edited):
...perfectionne l'apprentissage.... (see phrase)
Selected
perfected her techniques
This sounds the most appropriate in this context
Peer comment(s):
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Dr Sue Levy (X)
: absolutely
24 mins
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| agree |
Sonya Mountford-Jones
1 hr
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| agree |
Patrice
6 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Graded automatically based on peer agreement."
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French term (edited):
...perfectionne l'apprentissage.... (see phrase)
...gives further study to ...
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Maria Stoian
Specializes in field
Native in: Romanian 
Works in: Romanian to English, English to Romanian, French to English, and 1 more.
French term (edited):
...perfectionne l'apprentissage.... (see phrase)
advances her apprenticeship
The context suggests that she is an apprentice of another painter, from whom she learns a new style, which she will use over many years to come.
Peer comment(s):
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Dr Sue Levy (X)
: this would be true if she had been employed by Llhote, but he was her teacher at the art academy
31 mins
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+1
1 hr
Richard George Elliott
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Art, music, literature
Native in: English
Works in: French to English, German to English
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French term (edited):
...perfectionne l'apprentissage.... (see phrase)
perfected
It was under André Lhote that the beautiful Pole perfected the (sophisticated? urbane?) style of painting that she....
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Monica Sandor
: (and "beautiful Polish woman" would be less problematic perhaps?). Also, though Fr often uses present tense for biography/history, English prefers to translate with past tense, as in this suggestion.
37 mins
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Yes, I come up against this tense issue repeatedly in French art-historical texts
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French term (edited):
...perfectionne l'apprentissage.... (see phrase)
advanced studies
"Perfectionner" is most often used in the context of studies in French to talk about what we call "advanced" in English. It refers simply to studies that are not beginning level. It has nothing to do with the concept of "perfection" as used in English.
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Note added at 8 hrs 40 mins (2004-11-19 18:13:13 GMT)
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It can also be as mundane as \"continued her studies\" - she was not a beginner when she started to work with him.
In my opinion the French is badly written. \"Perfectionner l\'apprentissage\" sounds silly, as I think Sue has implied, and it\'s likely the author didn\'t mean to say what the phrase DOES say.
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Note added at 8 hrs 40 mins (2004-11-19 18:13:13 GMT)
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It can also be as mundane as \"continued her studies\" - she was not a beginner when she started to work with him.
In my opinion the French is badly written. \"Perfectionner l\'apprentissage\" sounds silly, as I think Sue has implied, and it\'s likely the author didn\'t mean to say what the phrase DOES say.
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