Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

idiom or saying

English answer:

steal someone's thunder

Added to glossary by jerrie
Jul 15, 2004 17:50
20 yrs ago
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English term

idiom or saying

English Art/Literary Idioms / Maxims / Sayings
I am desperately looking for an English idiom or saying for a situation when hard work is done by a person but his companion or competitor succeeds in getting the fruits of this hard work and the former poor fellow just gets nothing for his toil and efforts. I could not locate a befitting idiom, hence seeking your help.

Thanks

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steal someone's thunder

is a possibility

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Idiom: steal someone\'s thunder

To present or use someone else\'s idea, plan, etc as one\'s own, thereby diverting attention from them and then wallow in the ensuing praise, adulation, etc.

Included in link - to steal a march on someone, also
Peer comment(s):

agree Ltemes : excellent!
2 mins
agree Christian : Brilliant!
9 mins
agree Nanny Wintjens
14 mins
agree Vicky Papaprodromou
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agree Sonia Gomes : this is very appropriate
18 mins
neutral Cilian O'Tuama : sounds good, but FWIW I don't think I've ever heard it before and I'm not sure I'd understand it. BTW Langenscheidt translates it as "taking the wind out of someone's sails"
21 mins
The only reason I was able to get a link, was because this was the first thought that came to mind ... so obviously one this UKer has heard somewhere before!
agree Catherine Bolton : Definitely used in American English.
22 mins
agree Will Matter : yup, we use it a lot on this side of the pond.
24 mins
agree Aisha Maniar : I've heard it used in the UK...
1 hr
Thanks. It seems to fit the bill.
agree Saleh Chowdhury, Ph.D.
1 hr
disagree mannix : to steal someone's thunder is more a term of one-upmanship... not really treachery, e.g. when the bridesmaid dresses to outshine the bride
1 hr
agree Asghar Bhatti
3 hrs
neutral Charlie Bavington : the term exists (I'm BE) but agree with mannix - it's like when a couple announce their engagement at someone else's 30th birthday party - that kind of thing.
5 hrs
neutral Julie Roy : I also agree with mannix; I don't see it as being appropriate in this case.
10 hrs
agree Textklick : Am Heritage. Idioms Dico: "steal someone's thunder" Use or appropriate another's idea, especially to one's advantage, as in It was Harold's idea but they stole his thunder and turned it into a massive advertising campaign without giving him credi
13 hrs
Merci bien, Monsieur le Clique ;-))
agree LJC (X) : Yes. See my separate comment for the origin.
22 hrs
agree Alfa Trans (X)
3 days 12 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks to all of you. In fact, none of the suggestions is competent enough to replace the above expression. I think the linguistic and cultural gap between two languages is primarily responsible for absence of a similar idiom/saying in a different language. Anyway, this answer has got maximum number of agrees so she deserves to be rewarded. I am sincerely grateful to all other answers who have taken pains to help me in this respect."
8 mins

'they beat him to the chase' 'you beat me to the chase' etc

... I tried to buy some of their old pattern cabinets, but everyone else
had beat me to the chase and the cabinets were all spoken for. ...
www.stretcher.com/stories/990517g.cfm

... I was bothered for weeks when I found out someone had beat me to the chase in developing
a pasta strainer that drains through a detachable lid ($19.95 as seen ...
www.personal.psu.edu/amf229/whoiam.htm

(HA HA HA!!! the above example is perfect!!!)


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the example of the pasta strainer is so funny. the person is saying that they had already thought of the idea, but someone else began to market one first.

I also find it funny because I have had similar thoughts about products...
Peer comment(s):

neutral Cilian O'Tuama : Does that have anything to do with taking credit for your hard work? IMO that just means they were faster./Maybe my 'disagree' was a bit harsh
2 mins
well, to me at least, 'steal thunder' and 'beat to the chase' are very similar in common usage. i feel that neither is perfect for what Srishti is asking, but my answer may be a helpful addition.
neutral mannix : definitely means to arrive first, not to take credit for another's work
1 hr
neutral Charlie Bavington : agree with Cilian and mannix, this is more a question of doing something before someone else does (the same thing)
5 hrs
neutral Julie Roy : no, not quite there either...
10 hrs
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19 mins

steal someone's glory

similar to stealing thunder

If only Rania had listened to protocol and I hadn't tried to steal her glory in being leader, we wouldn't have wound up in the three day coaster of hell that we did.
Peer comment(s):

agree Cilian O'Tuama : I've heard this one before, easily understood
6 mins
thanks
neutral jerrie : Isn't this more one-up-manship, rather than using someone else's ideas etc? 'you think that's good - well I've got something better' kind of thing?
1 hr
no, it's when someone takes credit for someone else's work/achievements
agree Elena Petelos
1 hr
neutral Textklick : I'd understand this as meaning you misappropriated the kudos, irrespective of whether you did the work ;-)
13 hrs
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+5
33 mins

XXX did all the work but YYY gets all the credit

This is as how I see these types of situations addressed most often.


Minney did all the work but Mickey gets all the credit.
Peer comment(s):

agree kellyn (X) : a good option
20 mins
Thanks Kellyn!
neutral jerrie : that's the meaning, but is this an idiom or saying?
52 mins
It's hackneyed enough to where it is.
agree PRen (X) : This is the best of all suggestions, in my opinion -most idiomatic by far
5 hrs
Thanks Paula!
agree FionaT : I think this is the best suggestion. I would perhaps use "take", if it was a deliberate act, i.e.: Mickey took the credit for Minney's work.
12 hrs
Good point! Thanks!
agree SirReaL : it might be on the border of saying/regular English, but it's the most appropriate!
15 hrs
Thanks SirReal!
agree 1982Hilary : I think this one is easy to understand.
5 days
Thanks!
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39 mins
English term (edited): Cat's paw

A person used by someone else to perform an unpleasant job.

A person used by someone else to perform an unpleasant job.
Peer comment(s):

neutral RHELLER : is that an idiom?
1 hr
neutral Cilian O'Tuama : is this relevant to the question?
3 hrs
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1 hr

hunted for anchovises but caught a whale


I think there are two possiblity here.
The first one for winner.
I can not think of anything but I came up with this.
hunted for anchovises but caught a whale because he damn got so lucky.

For the looser I can say:
He was fishing in wrong lake, considering it may not be winners mistake but his own.



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Or one can say;

XXX raised the orchard and YYY picked the apples
Peer comment(s):

neutral RHELLER : none of these are idiomatic
55 mins
neutral Charlie Bavington : agree with Rita, to the extent that I've nver heard them. More to the point, for the anchovy/whale thing (which I like, even if you just made it up!), I would interpret as meaning a VERY different thing to the Asker's question. Sorry.
3 hrs
there is no info askers preference to express the orchard raiser, or apple picker. That was my point... and Yes they are made up...
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+1
3 hrs

steal the show

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Peer comment(s):

agree Nancy Arrowsmith : often used in work context
15 hrs
thanks Nancy!
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3 hrs

claim jumper, claim jumping

Don't mistake this for restaurant chain in America, although still American origin. "Claim jumper" is very common idiom, but I twisted it a bit (in latter case) because it appears you are looking for a situation rather than a person (a victim of such act as you describe). OK, as you may know already, this is originated in Frontier days of American West. A horde of people were out there looking for gold. Then a person named X found a motherbode (spell??) after long hard, toiling works. In order to claim the gold mine as his, he has to file it to the governing authority. But Y got a wind of it, and filed before A did. Now you know what happened. X lost everything, Y got what? This happened way too often in Frotier West.
Hope you find proper direction based on my suggestiion (i.e. I am not claiming this is the one).

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Correction -- But Y got a wind of it, and filed before \"A\" did. Now please replac this \"A\" to \"X\".

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Note added at 3 hrs 59 mins (2004-07-15 21:50:46 GMT)
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A word or so for clarification. As you see \"claim jump\" is an act of theft. Thereby it takes a victim and it fit to the situarion you described.
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7 hrs

just regular English

he was tricked out of his share
he didn't get what he deserved
he was taken advantage of
his competitor got the better of him
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9 hrs

to pull a fast one

might be too generic, but would be understood in the right context/sentence



Source: The Collins English Dictionary © 2000 HarperCollins Publishers:

pull [pʊl]

23 pull a fast one (slang)
to play a sly trick


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Another similar idea...

Source: The Collins English Dictionary © 2000 HarperCollins Publishers:

pull the rug out from under
to betray, expose, or leave defenceless
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23 hrs

steal someone's thunder - origin

According to the Oxford Dictionary of Idioms, here is the definition.

Win praise for oneself by pre-empting someone else's attempt to impress.

The critic and playwright John Dennis (1657-1734) invented a new method of simulating the sound of thunder in the theatre, which he employed in his unsuccessful play 'Appius and Virginia'. Shortly after his play had finished its brief run, Dennis attended a performance of 'Macbeth' in which the improved thunder effect was used, and he is reported to have exclaimed in a fury: 'Damn them! They will not let my play run, but they steal my thunder.'
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