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spring within the well
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spring within the well
You, who claim to have inquired after every detail of their existences, isn't it possible that even you have missed the very spring within the well?
Is there any implying here?
Thanks in advance,
Is there any implying here?
Thanks in advance,
Responses
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17 mins
the particular thing you are looking for
spring: a small stream of water
32 mins
adel almergawy
Egypt
Egypt
Egypt
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Native in: Arabic (Variants: Egyptian, Saudi ) 
Works in: English to Arabic, Arabic to English, Arabic, and 1 more.
you miss the main thing you ask about
miss the essential part
-3
45 mins
Nikolay Novitskiy
Russian Federation
Russian Federation
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Works in: English to Russian
something tiny which is hard to find
A spring is an elastic object that stores mechanical energy. Springs are typically made of spring steel. (Wikipedia)
"Missing spring within the well" means to miss a small thing in a place where it's really hard to find it. The well is a dark place filled with water, and locating a spring there is nearly impossible.
So, the teller says the following: "You, who claim to have inquired after every detail of their existences, isn't it possible that even you have missed something really secret?"
I hope this helps.
"Missing spring within the well" means to miss a small thing in a place where it's really hard to find it. The well is a dark place filled with water, and locating a spring there is nearly impossible.
So, the teller says the following: "You, who claim to have inquired after every detail of their existences, isn't it possible that even you have missed something really secret?"
I hope this helps.
Peer comment(s):
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Mark Robertson
: A spring, in this case, is a place where water naturally flows out from the ground.
14 mins
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| disagree |
Tony M
: As Mark says, this would be the wrong sense of 'spring' here — it means a source of water, which must necessarily exist to supply a well, but may not be visible.
1 hr
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| disagree |
Yvonne Gallagher
: Wrong meaning in the context
3 hrs
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Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Ireland
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right word, right place. everytime
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Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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Source of the water in the well
I'd like more context to know more about the figurative meaning, which is probably religious, but have no doubt about the basic meaning.
A spring is the source of water either in a well or of a stream, I.e. the water is there because of a spring.
This seems to be saying that all you see is the well, the end result, but do not see that there is
a reason for that well or water, the spring. So you are totally missing the source or reason for being, for their very existence.
More context needed for any more
A spring is the source of water either in a well or of a stream, I.e. the water is there because of a spring.
This seems to be saying that all you see is the well, the end result, but do not see that there is
a reason for that well or water, the spring. So you are totally missing the source or reason for being, for their very existence.
More context needed for any more
5 hrs
Dr. Jozsef Dikter
Hungary
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Works in: English to Hungarian, German to Hungarian, Hungarian to English, and 5 more.
1. See no difference between filthy and clean, derailing (from the right way), etc. 2. miss the target between other objects to see (i.e. missed the forest behind a tree) 3. act dumb as others wish, without prejudice
- Spring is clean, well maybe dirty.
- Spring is quick, well is still.
- Spring gives water in winter, well may freeze in.
- When a spring feeds the well, one may disregard it under/behind it.
Bonus:
In my mother tongue says a proverb (presumably after a fairy tale about the reluctant woman who did always the opposite of what being told): "That one is so dumb, that If one tells to jump into the well, he/she then really jumps"...
In the fairy tale she jumped when she was forbidden to do so.
- Spring is quick, well is still.
- Spring gives water in winter, well may freeze in.
- When a spring feeds the well, one may disregard it under/behind it.
Bonus:
In my mother tongue says a proverb (presumably after a fairy tale about the reluctant woman who did always the opposite of what being told): "That one is so dumb, that If one tells to jump into the well, he/she then really jumps"...
In the fairy tale she jumped when she was forbidden to do so.
Example sentence:
Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked. (Proverbs 25:26) Or the same one in KJB: "A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring."
Reference comments
2 days 16 hrs
Reference:
THE SOURCE The Bridge of San Luis Rey - and five dead travellers - and an existential mystery
The Bridge of San Luis Rey
Synopsis:
In early 18th century Peru an old Inca rope bridge collapses, plunging five travelers to their deaths in the Andean chasm below. Brother Juniper, who was within minutes of being on the bridge himself, becomes obsessed with discovering how five people of differing class and circumstances came to be on the bridge at that moment. The Catholic friar wants to know if it was mere existential happenstance or part of God's cosmic plan. After researching the lives of the victims for five years and publishing his findings in a book, he is accused of heresy by the worldly Archbishop of Lima and is put on trial for his life by the Inquisition.
Genre: Drama, Romance
Director(s): Mary McGuckian
Actors: F. Murray Abraham, Kathy Bates, Gabriel Byrne, Geraldine Chaplin
Production: Fine Line Features
If there were any plan in the universe...
...any pattern to human life...
...surely it could be discovered
mysteriously latent...
...in those lives so suddenly cut off.
Either we live by accident...
...and die by accident...
...or we live by plan...
...and die by plan.
The day of the funeral,
all Lima was in a state of a trance.
The bodies of the victims
had been approximately collected, but...
...only approximately separated.
It was a great service...
...and a resolute rendering of hearts
among soul-searchers.
There but for the grace of God.
Why did this happen to those five?
Why not me?
On Friday at noon,
the finest bridge in all Peru broke...
...and precipitated five travelers...
...into the gulf below.
We have all of us,
since we have heard of the accident...
...made the...
the sign of the cross...
...and a mental calculation...
...as to how recently
we had crossed by it...
...and how soon we had intended
crossing by it again.
We live in a country, in a place...
...where catastrophes,
which are shockingly called acts of God...
...are more than usually frequent.
Tidal waves
have washed away entire cities.
Earthquakes arrive every week
in some parts...
...and diseases are forever flitting
in and out of the provinces.
Old age carries away
some of our most admirable citizens...
...and towers fall
on good men and women all the time.
But we have all of us been
deeply impressed...
...and especially touched...
...by the rent
in the bridge of San Luis Rey.
The bridge seemed to be
among the things that would last forever.
It was unthinkable
that it should just... break.
We've all had hallucinations
of ourselves...
...falling into that gulf.
Within ten minutes... myself.
It would have been me.
So I resolved to inquire into the
secret lives of those five persons...
...falling through the air at that moment...
...and to surprise the reasons
of theirtaking off.
For six years,
I knocked on all the doors in Lima...
...asked hundreds of questions...
...cataloging thousands of little facts
and anecdotes and testimonies...
...as accurately as I could.
The result, as we know,
was this torrid testament...
...as heretical in title as in content.
Sheer treachery.
It's but a book of findings.
Nothing more sinister.
The mere facts of these five lonely lives
so tragically cut off.
So, we may never know
their central passions...
...and you, who claim to have inquired
after every detail of their existences...
...isn't it possible that even you have
missed the very spring within the well?
If you'll permit, what I wrote down were
the particulars of these precious portraits.
I began in the Franciscan reading room
at San Martin...
...with a book that is bound
between two great wooden covers.
It was there that I came upon
the only copy of the volumes of letters...
...from the Marquesa de Montemayor...
...to her daughter, Doa Clara.
I will write often.
I will write every day, my love.
And when my little daughter
has a little...
It must take
six months at least, Marquesa...
...to receive an answer
to one's letter from Spain.
Left alone in Lima...
...the Marquesa's life grew
more and more inward.
So necessary was it for her love...
...that she attract the admiration
of herdistant child...
...she existed entirely
in the endless dialogues...
...that evidence hereccentricities
in her many letters to Spain.
"Rest easy, my love.
I am sending His Most Catholic Majesty
the perfect gold chain.
He need never know
that in orderto obtain it...
...I had to walk into a picture.
Link to next page
https://www.scripts.com/script/the_bridge_of_san_luis_rey_19...
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Note added at 2 days 16 hrs (2020-05-14 10:54:19 GMT)
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Sounds like the movie starts with the Inquisitor(s) questioning the author of the book about the five dead travellers.
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Note added at 2 days 16 hrs (2020-05-14 11:06:06 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
this part:
You, who claim to have inquired after every detail of their existences, isn't it possible that even you have missed the very spring within the well?
would be a question from the Inquisitor, basically meaning:
you have researched [before writing your book] the lives of these five dead travellers in great details, but it's still possible that you have missed something important that wasn't immediately visible?
Possibly a variation on "you have examined in great detail every tree in the forest, but you still don't know much about the forest as a whole"?
Synopsis:
In early 18th century Peru an old Inca rope bridge collapses, plunging five travelers to their deaths in the Andean chasm below. Brother Juniper, who was within minutes of being on the bridge himself, becomes obsessed with discovering how five people of differing class and circumstances came to be on the bridge at that moment. The Catholic friar wants to know if it was mere existential happenstance or part of God's cosmic plan. After researching the lives of the victims for five years and publishing his findings in a book, he is accused of heresy by the worldly Archbishop of Lima and is put on trial for his life by the Inquisition.
Genre: Drama, Romance
Director(s): Mary McGuckian
Actors: F. Murray Abraham, Kathy Bates, Gabriel Byrne, Geraldine Chaplin
Production: Fine Line Features
If there were any plan in the universe...
...any pattern to human life...
...surely it could be discovered
mysteriously latent...
...in those lives so suddenly cut off.
Either we live by accident...
...and die by accident...
...or we live by plan...
...and die by plan.
The day of the funeral,
all Lima was in a state of a trance.
The bodies of the victims
had been approximately collected, but...
...only approximately separated.
It was a great service...
...and a resolute rendering of hearts
among soul-searchers.
There but for the grace of God.
Why did this happen to those five?
Why not me?
On Friday at noon,
the finest bridge in all Peru broke...
...and precipitated five travelers...
...into the gulf below.
We have all of us,
since we have heard of the accident...
...made the...
the sign of the cross...
...and a mental calculation...
...as to how recently
we had crossed by it...
...and how soon we had intended
crossing by it again.
We live in a country, in a place...
...where catastrophes,
which are shockingly called acts of God...
...are more than usually frequent.
Tidal waves
have washed away entire cities.
Earthquakes arrive every week
in some parts...
...and diseases are forever flitting
in and out of the provinces.
Old age carries away
some of our most admirable citizens...
...and towers fall
on good men and women all the time.
But we have all of us been
deeply impressed...
...and especially touched...
...by the rent
in the bridge of San Luis Rey.
The bridge seemed to be
among the things that would last forever.
It was unthinkable
that it should just... break.
We've all had hallucinations
of ourselves...
...falling into that gulf.
Within ten minutes... myself.
It would have been me.
So I resolved to inquire into the
secret lives of those five persons...
...falling through the air at that moment...
...and to surprise the reasons
of theirtaking off.
For six years,
I knocked on all the doors in Lima...
...asked hundreds of questions...
...cataloging thousands of little facts
and anecdotes and testimonies...
...as accurately as I could.
The result, as we know,
was this torrid testament...
...as heretical in title as in content.
Sheer treachery.
It's but a book of findings.
Nothing more sinister.
The mere facts of these five lonely lives
so tragically cut off.
So, we may never know
their central passions...
...and you, who claim to have inquired
after every detail of their existences...
...isn't it possible that even you have
missed the very spring within the well?
If you'll permit, what I wrote down were
the particulars of these precious portraits.
I began in the Franciscan reading room
at San Martin...
...with a book that is bound
between two great wooden covers.
It was there that I came upon
the only copy of the volumes of letters...
...from the Marquesa de Montemayor...
...to her daughter, Doa Clara.
I will write often.
I will write every day, my love.
And when my little daughter
has a little...
It must take
six months at least, Marquesa...
...to receive an answer
to one's letter from Spain.
Left alone in Lima...
...the Marquesa's life grew
more and more inward.
So necessary was it for her love...
...that she attract the admiration
of herdistant child...
...she existed entirely
in the endless dialogues...
...that evidence hereccentricities
in her many letters to Spain.
"Rest easy, my love.
I am sending His Most Catholic Majesty
the perfect gold chain.
He need never know
that in orderto obtain it...
...I had to walk into a picture.
Link to next page
https://www.scripts.com/script/the_bridge_of_san_luis_rey_19...
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2 days 16 hrs (2020-05-14 10:54:19 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
Sounds like the movie starts with the Inquisitor(s) questioning the author of the book about the five dead travellers.
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2 days 16 hrs (2020-05-14 11:06:06 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
this part:
You, who claim to have inquired after every detail of their existences, isn't it possible that even you have missed the very spring within the well?
would be a question from the Inquisitor, basically meaning:
you have researched [before writing your book] the lives of these five dead travellers in great details, but it's still possible that you have missed something important that wasn't immediately visible?
Possibly a variation on "you have examined in great detail every tree in the forest, but you still don't know much about the forest as a whole"?
Discussion
Givers: Enjoyment of the chase/research/interaction with others, who have something to offer, and points.
Takers: Lack of experience in the specific field, lack of time or inclination to research, lack of research skills, slow broadband speeds that inhibit online research.
Givers like to be acknowledged and soon identify takers who have a purely instrumental attitude to KudoZ.
Of course givers can be and are takers and vice versa.
Never mind, as Don Juan would've said, the fun is in the chase.
Hungarian (can't help there, as I don't speak the language)
https://cooljugator.com/hu/téveszt
So, we may never know their central passions, and you, who claim to have inquired after every detail of their existences, isn't it possible that even you have missed the very spring within the well?
Lelki lényüket nem ismerjük meg. És ön, aki azt állítja, hogy létük minden részletét feltárta, nem lehet, hogy ön tévesztette el a forrást a sok kút között? (need a Hungarian translator, I suspect, as whatever is written here is likely to be a machine-translation)!
Found the same thing in Turkish:
https://translate.vc/en/en-tr/you_may_have_it
So, we may never know their central passions, and you, who claim to have inquired after every detail of their existences, isn't it possible that even you have missed the very spring within the well?
Yani biz bunu anlayamadık ve haklarındaki her detayı öğrendikten sonra, sizin de bir şeyleri gözden kaçırmış olmanız mümkün mü?
We must go to the spring within the well, the life within the life, the heart within the heart—the center of the very being wherein is enthroned the living God of our own being. " So, having said that, can you provide further clarification?