Nov 16, 2017 12:27
6 yrs ago
French term
la conséquence est bonne
French to English
Social Sciences
Philosophy
Conclusion (456 b-c): De la conformité à la nature à la possibilité, la conséquence est bonne.
This outline refers to the following passage in Plato's Republic:
Then women of this sort must be chosen along with men of the same
sort to live with them and share their guardianship, seeing that they are
adequate for the task and akin to the men in nature.
Certainly.
And mustn’t we assign the same way of life to the same natures?
We must.
We’ve come round, then, to what we said before and have agreed that
it isn’t against nature to assign an education in music, poetry, and physical
training to the wives of the guardians.
Absolutely.
Then we’re not legislating impossibilities or indulging in mere wishful
thinking, since the law we established is in accord with nature. It’s rather
the way things are at present that seems to be against nature.
So it seems.
Now, weren’t we trying to determine whether our proposals were both
possible and optimal?
Yes, we were.
And haven’t we now agreed that they’re possible?
Yes.
This outline refers to the following passage in Plato's Republic:
Then women of this sort must be chosen along with men of the same
sort to live with them and share their guardianship, seeing that they are
adequate for the task and akin to the men in nature.
Certainly.
And mustn’t we assign the same way of life to the same natures?
We must.
We’ve come round, then, to what we said before and have agreed that
it isn’t against nature to assign an education in music, poetry, and physical
training to the wives of the guardians.
Absolutely.
Then we’re not legislating impossibilities or indulging in mere wishful
thinking, since the law we established is in accord with nature. It’s rather
the way things are at present that seems to be against nature.
So it seems.
Now, weren’t we trying to determine whether our proposals were both
possible and optimal?
Yes, we were.
And haven’t we now agreed that they’re possible?
Yes.
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +4 | the reasoning is sound | Marco Solinas |
4 | the outcome is good | B D Finch |
3 | the result is good | narasimha (X) |
Proposed translations
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the reasoning is sound
Please see discussion box. Katsy and Charles have explained it very well. I think the sentence refer to the deduction process.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Charles Davis
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agree |
Yolanda Broad
41 mins
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agree |
katsy
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agree |
philgoddard
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Comment: "Thank you!"
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the outcome is good
http://www.csrnyc.com/philosophicalbaseofcsr/fourtypesofethi...
"Consequentialist or teleological ethics abandons the criterion of motive and focuses attention on the outcomes of actions. If the outcome is good the related actions are likely to be good – regardless of the motivation of the individual actor. The fact that someone has good motives for an act is not enough to ensure that it is ethically good."
http://jehdnet.com/journals/jehd/Vol_3_No_4_December_2014/31...
'The importance of the “question” lies in examining the relationship between actions and outcomes. It has a
purpose and refers deeds to their outcomes. If the outcome is good, then the deed is also good, and vice
versa. Socrates tries to shed doubt on the result of teaching virtues, as he is not satisfied with Protagoras'
answer. "If you associate with me, young man, then you will be able at the end of your first day in my
company, to go away a better man and the same will happen on the next day, and each day after that you
will continue to grow better and improve."'
"Consequentialist or teleological ethics abandons the criterion of motive and focuses attention on the outcomes of actions. If the outcome is good the related actions are likely to be good – regardless of the motivation of the individual actor. The fact that someone has good motives for an act is not enough to ensure that it is ethically good."
http://jehdnet.com/journals/jehd/Vol_3_No_4_December_2014/31...
'The importance of the “question” lies in examining the relationship between actions and outcomes. It has a
purpose and refers deeds to their outcomes. If the outcome is good, then the deed is also good, and vice
versa. Socrates tries to shed doubt on the result of teaching virtues, as he is not satisfied with Protagoras'
answer. "If you associate with me, young man, then you will be able at the end of your first day in my
company, to go away a better man and the same will happen on the next day, and each day after that you
will continue to grow better and improve."'
Discussion
http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199541...
In order to account for the first part of the sentence, I turned things around and rendered it as:
"It is valid to infer possibility from accordance with nature."
Marco, I'll award you the points as soon as the 24 hours are up! Thanks again!
Marco expressed the idea first, so he should propose a translation imo.
Perhaps one of you would like to post a translation?
Pls publish the paragraph illustrating the conclusion you submitted