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Oct 21, 2014 06:46
10 yrs ago
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Dutch term

geflateerd

Dutch to English Medical Medical (general)
uitslagen zijn voorlopig / geflateerd

last night I looked in numerous medical online dictionaries, but I didn't find the one that has this word.
I will greatly appreciate some help.
Thanks.
References
Van Dale: "flatteren" (with an extra "t")
Change log

Oct 21, 2014 08:49: philgoddard changed "Field (specific)" from "Surveying" to "Medical (general)" , "Field (write-in)" from "paper work" to "(none)"

Discussion

Barend van Zadelhoff Oct 21, 2014:
@Michael: Even in English? :-)
Michael Beijer Oct 21, 2014:
@Barend: Yes, that makes sense ("Results are preliminary / results may present too positive a picture")

i.e., geflatteerd (literally: "presents too positive a picture") is therefore doctor’s shorthand for "may present too positive a picture" (d.w.z. "let op, het zou kunnen dat deze resultaten geflatteerd zijn")
Barend van Zadelhoff Oct 21, 2014:
These are preliminary results from the perspective that further tests need to follow and will be required.

This is why they say 'voorlopig'

So you have:

Results are preliminary / results may present too positive a picture
katerina turevich (asker) Oct 21, 2014:
well, the inferior wall myocardial infarction. is in the patient history in 1999. At the moment, in 2014, the patient is being treated in a urology department.

but about the waarschuwing: I completely agree: so what's the word for it? These are not "preliminary", this is a full blown analysis.
Barend van Zadelhoff Oct 21, 2014:
The problem with these reports is, it is 'monosyllabic speech', you need to be able to read the minds of the doctors.
Normal syntax is often lacking.
Barend van Zadelhoff Oct 21, 2014:
Dan zeggen ze waarschijnlijk 'geflatteerd' omdat het moment waarop of de omstandigheden waaronder de testen zijn genomen nog geen betrouwbaar beeld kunnen opleveren.

Het is een soort waarschuwing: this may look more positive than it really is.

And in fact, it turned out he had an inferior wall myocardial infarction.

Is it about this patient?
katerina turevich (asker) Oct 21, 2014:
This happens to be the heading for a bunch of lab results, including leukocytes, creatinin, sodium, potassium, etc. Normal clinical analysis

These values are dated. Two of these dates are filled for all the results, and two only partially. The dates are very close to each other, consecutive days - all in August. The patient doesn't seem to suffer from any serious malady: some pain in the chest, suspicion of a cardiac problem, with a later transfer to a urology department.
Michael Beijer Oct 21, 2014:
@katerina: Unless I've missed it, you haven't given us any context. It's kind of hard to guess how they are being used without the actual context.

Just looking at the two words, separated with a slash, I'd say they mean the following:

voorlopig = provisional, interim, tentative (nog niet definitief)
geflateerd = overstated, higher than actual, inflated, overly optimistic (te hoog)

If you could provide us with some of the actual surrounding text, maybe we'd be able to help more.

Barend's suggestion:

"may present too positive a picture (of the patient's condition)" adds an interpretation, for which I see no evidence in the tiny bit of context you have given us. If you strip away this added interpretation, you'd be left with sth like: "presents too positive a picture (of the patient's condition)".
Barend van Zadelhoff Oct 21, 2014:
I was thinking of results are inconclusive/preliminary / may present too positive a picture (of the patient's condition)
katerina turevich (asker) Oct 21, 2014:
yeah? voorlopig= provisional, current
geflatteerd = inconclusive

or
voorlopig = inconclusive
geflatteerd = rounded up to a positive value?

Inconclusive means you can't use it as a real value to judge the real situation / the meaning of 'provisional' is more time related
Barend van Zadelhoff Oct 21, 2014:
"not conclusive (inconclusive)" would be an option for "voorlopig" rather than for 'geflatteerd"

results are inconclusive / geflatteerd

'geflatteerd' explains why they are inconclusive
katerina turevich (asker) Oct 21, 2014:
How about if I use "not conclusive"? Would that cover the meaning?
Barend van Zadelhoff Oct 21, 2014:
"I think "overly optimistic picture" fits fine in the language of "medical research data"... (all it really means is the results/numbers/amounts might actually be substantially lower than suggested)"

You should understand this in the context of the patient's condition, a diagnostic process.

The problem is we don't know what these results concern.
They might have found a value lower than actual or a value higher than actual and in both cases this could present too positive a picture.
Michael Beijer Oct 21, 2014:
Wow! I always forget to look in FELOnline, but when I do I am usually reminded of how good it is!

flatteren =
higher than actual
overstate [growth]
inflate [a figure]
enhanced [growth figure]
[growth is] artificially boosted
flatter

balans flatteren =
window dressing
dress up the balance sheet
window-dress the balance sheet

deflatteren =
lower than actual
disguise/understate [growth]
[book values] understate [market values]
depress

groei deflatteren =
understate growth

groei flatteren =
overstate growth

verliezen flatteren =
understate [loan] losses
Michael Beijer Oct 21, 2014:
@Barend: https://www.google.co.uk/search?espv=2&q="medical research d...

(try Googling: "medical research data" "overly optimistic picture")

I think "overly optimistic picture" fits fine in the language of "medical research data"... (all it really means is the results/numbers/amounts might actually be substantially lower than suggested)
Barend van Zadelhoff Oct 21, 2014:
@Michael Zou kunnen.
Ik zat te worstelen met het vinden van een goede vertaling, waarbij ook de medische context in aanmerking moet worden genomen.

I am not sure whether 'optimistic' fits in a medical context or 'rosy picture' as W. Schouten suggested.
Michael Beijer Oct 21, 2014:
@Barend: or maybe sth like:

the results are preliminary / paint an overly optimistic picture of
another option: "paint a misleadingly optimistic picture"
Barend van Zadelhoff Oct 21, 2014:
Katerina Ik zal je een voorbeeld geven:

"het serumfoliumzuur wordt beïnvloed door recente voedselinname, wat kan leiden tot een geflatteerde uitslag bij een in werkelijkheid deficiënte patiënt"

Ze zeggen dat de uitslagen voorlopig zijn omdat de resultaten mogelijk onbetrouwbaar zijn, in die zin dat ze een te gunstig beeld opgeleverd kunnen hebben

het gaat om 'geflatteerde uitslagen'

er moet verder onderzoek worden gedaan of het onderzoek moet opnieuw worden gedaan om het een en ander uit te sluiten of te bevestigen

the results are preliminary / may create a falsely positive picture (or something)
katerina turevich (asker) Oct 21, 2014:
yeah, it does still, I would like confirmation from someone with medical background. It fits completely in the context, but I've never seen it, so I'm not sure...:)
W Schouten Oct 21, 2014:
makes sense(-;
katerina turevich (asker) Oct 21, 2014:
yes, of course! "enhanced values "
I think I got it, thanks!
katerina turevich (asker) Oct 21, 2014:
I have some, no medical background per se, but Ive been doing this kind of texts for some five years already in both of my language pairs, and this is the first time I see something like that. I also don't really understand how medical research data can be enhanced.
Oh, is that the word: "enhanced"?
W Schouten Oct 21, 2014:
I think so but have no medical background...
katerina turevich (asker) Oct 21, 2014:
right, so rounded up to a positive value?
because "complementary"even though it is one of the possible translations, in the medical context would mean "supplementary"?
W Schouten Oct 21, 2014:
I think so as it can mean 'to present a rosy picture'
katerina turevich (asker) Oct 21, 2014:
Is it "rounded up to a positive value"? or "complementary values"?

Reference comments

2 hrs
Reference:

Van Dale: "flatteren" (with an extra "t")

maybe they missed a "t"

Van Dale Groot woordenboek Nederlands-Engels:

flatteren:

(1) flatteren
flatter
context
een geflatteerd portret
a flattering portrait
een geflatteerde voorstelling van iets geven
paint / present a rosy picture of something

(2) flatteren
iemands uiterlijk gunstig doen uitkomen
flatter
suit, become
context
die muts flatteert (je)
that bonnet suits / becomes you, that bonnet does something for you

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Van Dale Groot woordenboek van de Nederlandse taal (14e editie, 2005)

flatteren

overgank. werkw.; flatteerde; h. geflatteerd
(1477 ‘vleien’)
eerste editie 1864
1·fraaier of gunstiger voorstellen dan de werkelijkheid is
dit portret is wel wat geflatteerd
vergelijk: geflatteerd

2·iemands uiterlijk gunstig doen uitkomen
die muts flatteert je
2·groen is geen flatterende kleur
3·vleien
3·(alleen nog in het verl. deelw.) zich geflatteerd voelen
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