May 11, 2009 17:01
15 yrs ago
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French term
United States
à son bénéfice
French to English
Bus/Financial
Finance (general)
property investment
"En avril 2008, X avait sign� une promesse de vente � son b�n��fice portant sur 5 murs de restaurants, situ�s en r�gion parisienne et exploit�s sous l'enseigne Y, pour un montant total hors droits de 8,2 millions d'euros."
There's no mention of another party just prior to this sentence, which makes me think it's self-referential - the company wants to make a profit on the sale. But mentioning something so obvious makes me wonder if there's another interpretation. TIA.
There's no mention of another party just prior to this sentence, which makes me think it's self-referential - the company wants to make a profit on the sale. But mentioning something so obvious makes me wonder if there's another interpretation. TIA.
Proposed translations
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| 2 +1 | (omit translation of 'à son bénéfice') |
joehlindsay
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| 4 +3 | profit |
swanda
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| 5 | gain, benefit, profit |
Enrique Huber (X)
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| 4 | for its own benefit |
swanda
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| 4 | in his favour |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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Change log
May 12, 2009 11:01: Emanuela Galdelli changed "Term asked" from "� son b�n�fice" to "à son bénéfice"
Proposed translations
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1 day 2 hrs
Selected
(omit translation of 'à son bénéfice')
Could this possibly be a clarification that is appropriate in French and unnecessary in English? Would it change the meaning at all if it were left out, maybe something like 'X signed a letter of intent to purchase (on his own behalf: not acting for a company or other party for whom he was authorized). In US usage, I think the fact that he was doing it on his own behalf would be understood, and the phrase 'à son bénéfice' might be superfluous or redundant (?).
Also I think 'à bénéfice' would mean 'at a profit' which wouldn't make sense if he were the buyer. I think this may just mean 'for himself', 'on his own behalf', etc.
Also I think 'à bénéfice' would mean 'at a profit' which wouldn't make sense if he were the buyer. I think this may just mean 'for himself', 'on his own behalf', etc.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: You can of course translating "à son bénéfice" here. It serves to confirm X's status as purchaser in the transaction. A safe solution, as long as you clearly identify vendor and purchaser. (Note tho' that it is NOT "à bénéfice").
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Yes it does seem superfluous. Thanks Joe."
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4 mins
French term (edited):
� son b�n�fice
profit
IMO
Note from asker:
| I'd like to point out that if anything was unclear, it was due to encoding issues. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
joehlindsay
: Not completely sure, but vendre à bénéfice usually just means to sell at a profit rather than at a loss.
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thanks joehlindsay
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| agree |
Alexander Totz
: "with/their/its" profit
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thanks Alexander
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| neutral |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: Just a brief explanation Swanda. I had originally marked "agree" as "bénéfice" is "profit", but I subsequently questioned and received confirmation that the term is "à son bénéfice". It wld have been helpful if the asker had made that clear at the outset!
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ok, Nikki, thanks for your explanation; I've suggested another answer accordingly
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| agree |
Hazel O'Reilly (X)
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thanks Hazel
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32 mins
French term (edited):
� son b�n�fice
gain, benefit, profit
my options
13 hrs
French term (edited):
� son b�n�fice
for its own benefit
since the part of the sentence is "à son bénéfice", I'd suggest
"for its own benefit"
here are some occurences on Google
www.techlink.org.nz/IP/resources/Confidentiality-Agreement....
www.lssu.edu/eng/pdc/docs/PDC_Project_Agreement.pdf
muse.jhu.edu/journals/american_indian_quarterly/v026/26.3haake.html
"for its own benefit"
here are some occurences on Google
www.techlink.org.nz/IP/resources/Confidentiality-Agreement....
www.lssu.edu/eng/pdc/docs/PDC_Project_Agreement.pdf
muse.jhu.edu/journals/american_indian_quarterly/v026/26.3haake.html
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Native in English
Psychologist, Court-certified legal
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English
Related KudoZ points
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162
in his favour
Now knowing that the original in fact read "à son bénéfice", then "promise of sale" is "in his favour", that of X. In other words he is the purchaser. X is the vendor.
The term "promise of sale" is insufficient but the only possibility and commonly used. See the explanation from the GDT.
http://granddictionnaire.com/btml/fra/r_motclef/index800_1.a...
Promesse de vente = promise of sale
Définition :
Engagement contractuel de vendre un bien donné à une date déterminée et à un prix fixé d'avance.
Note(s) :
La promesse de vente est une notion bien ancrée dans le Droit romano-germanique qui n'a pas de véritable équivalent dans le Droit anglo-saxon. L'expression promise of sale est souvent utilisée en anglais dans un contexte où il est question du Droit d'un pays où la notion existe. Dans d'autres contextes, un équivalent comme undertaking to sellpeut être plus parlant.
Article tiré du Dictionnaire de la comptabilité et de la gestion financière, version 1.2, reproduit sous licence.
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Note added at 13 hrs (2009-05-12 06:37:23 GMT)
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X is the purchaser, Y the vendor... sorry !
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Note added at 13 hrs (2009-05-12 06:39:18 GMT)
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Signed in his favour... if you go along with this reading of the original, then a more natural rendering would be something along the lines of "signed [the promise of sale] as [potential] Purchaser" rather than using "in his favour".
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Note added at 6 days (2009-05-18 12:46:42 GMT) Post-grading
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I agree that Joeh Lindsay's solution can work perfectly well, that you can of course omit translating "à son bénéfice" here. It serves to confirm X's status as purchaser in the transaction. A safe solution, as long as you clearly identify vendor and purchaser in the final version.
For sake of completeness, I have never the less added a suggestion to the glossary. Users will find the explanations posted.
The term "promise of sale" is insufficient but the only possibility and commonly used. See the explanation from the GDT.
http://granddictionnaire.com/btml/fra/r_motclef/index800_1.a...
Promesse de vente = promise of sale
Définition :
Engagement contractuel de vendre un bien donné à une date déterminée et à un prix fixé d'avance.
Note(s) :
La promesse de vente est une notion bien ancrée dans le Droit romano-germanique qui n'a pas de véritable équivalent dans le Droit anglo-saxon. L'expression promise of sale est souvent utilisée en anglais dans un contexte où il est question du Droit d'un pays où la notion existe. Dans d'autres contextes, un équivalent comme undertaking to sellpeut être plus parlant.
Article tiré du Dictionnaire de la comptabilité et de la gestion financière, version 1.2, reproduit sous licence.
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Note added at 13 hrs (2009-05-12 06:37:23 GMT)
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X is the purchaser, Y the vendor... sorry !
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Note added at 13 hrs (2009-05-12 06:39:18 GMT)
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Signed in his favour... if you go along with this reading of the original, then a more natural rendering would be something along the lines of "signed [the promise of sale] as [potential] Purchaser" rather than using "in his favour".
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Note added at 6 days (2009-05-18 12:46:42 GMT) Post-grading
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I agree that Joeh Lindsay's solution can work perfectly well, that you can of course omit translating "à son bénéfice" here. It serves to confirm X's status as purchaser in the transaction. A safe solution, as long as you clearly identify vendor and purchaser in the final version.
For sake of completeness, I have never the less added a suggestion to the glossary. Users will find the explanations posted.
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