Apr 6, 2006 13:45
18 yrs ago
French term
IanW (X)
dureté prussienne
French to English
Social Sciences
Government / Politics
[My (rough) translation of the previous sentence: French socialism remained weak, divided, often sectarian and wholly incapable of exercising a real influence on the electorate]
"Alors qu’outre Rhin, malgré la dureté prussienne et l’habileté politique du pouvoir impérial, le socialisme démocratique avait déjà jeté les bases de sa puissance."
This is from a political article about French and German socialism. I'm not sure what exactly "dureté" means here and would appreciate any suggestions.
Many thanks
Ian
"Alors qu’outre Rhin, malgré la dureté prussienne et l’habileté politique du pouvoir impérial, le socialisme démocratique avait déjà jeté les bases de sa puissance."
This is from a political article about French and German socialism. I'm not sure what exactly "dureté" means here and would appreciate any suggestions.
Many thanks
Ian
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +6 | harshness |
Emérentienne
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| 4 +1 | Prussian severity |
Bourth (X)
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| 4 +1 | inflexibility |
CMJ_Trans (X)
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| 4 | obdurateness, Prussian obdurateness |
Elizabeth Lyons
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| 4 | Prussian resilience |
Reinaldo Quiles
|
| 4 | Prussian discipline |
irenef
|
| 3 | rigidity |
Brigitte Albert (X)
|
Proposed translations
+6
3 mins
Selected
harshness
or severity
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Note added at 7 mins (2006-04-06 13:53:40 GMT)
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One of those national stereotypes...
AmericanHeritage.com / The Magnificent Fraud - [ Traduire cette page ]
There was little of the famous Prussian harshness and formality to him. Letters from friends in Europe attest to the warmth of his relationships. ...
www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/2006/1/2006_1... - 66k - 4 avr 2006 -
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Note added at 7 mins (2006-04-06 13:53:40 GMT)
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One of those national stereotypes...
AmericanHeritage.com / The Magnificent Fraud - [ Traduire cette page ]
There was little of the famous Prussian harshness and formality to him. Letters from friends in Europe attest to the warmth of his relationships. ...
www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/2006/1/2006_1... - 66k - 4 avr 2006 -
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "In the end, I went for "severity" - thanks for all the input"
3 mins
Elizabeth Lyons
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obdurateness, Prussian obdurateness
This is the word that immediately came to mind when I read this.
7 mins
rigidity
Another suggestion: Bonn Region - History - Prussian rule - Famous NamesIf Bonn showed little appreciation for Prussian rigidity and economy, it was grateful for the founding of the Friedrich-Wilhelm University. ...
10 mins
Reinaldo Quiles
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United States
Works in field
United States
When you want culturally accurate work.
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, French to Spanish, Spanish to English, and 2 more.
Prussian resilience
the resistance is a against social change, not physical i.m.o.
+1
14 mins
+1
17 mins
19 hrs
Prussian discipline
Could be another way to interpret it; that is the first association that came to mind. It would also express the idea of something regimented, as opposed to democratic openness.
Hope it helps.
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Note added at 20 hrs (2006-04-07 09:59:50 GMT)
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Just found a few links that clarify my point:
"It helps to justify the Prussian discipline which new Labour's leaders have imposed on their followers."
http://www.newstatesman.co.uk/pdf/3rdWayFinal.pdf
"But in the main, Prussian discipline, i.e., the slave spirit diffused by Prussia, dominates everything from its centre and breeding-place, the army, up to the Social-Democratic fraction the Reichstag."
http://www.marxists.org/archive/bax/1915/09/germansit1.htm
"The latter is Prussian discipline, the discipline of a harsh, machine-like logical organization, based on the rule of military autocracy."
http://etd.lib.fsu.edu/theses/available/etd-06072005-165446/...
Hope it helps.
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Note added at 20 hrs (2006-04-07 09:59:50 GMT)
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Just found a few links that clarify my point:
"It helps to justify the Prussian discipline which new Labour's leaders have imposed on their followers."
http://www.newstatesman.co.uk/pdf/3rdWayFinal.pdf
"But in the main, Prussian discipline, i.e., the slave spirit diffused by Prussia, dominates everything from its centre and breeding-place, the army, up to the Social-Democratic fraction the Reichstag."
http://www.marxists.org/archive/bax/1915/09/germansit1.htm
"The latter is Prussian discipline, the discipline of a harsh, machine-like logical organization, based on the rule of military autocracy."
http://etd.lib.fsu.edu/theses/available/etd-06072005-165446/...
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