Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

perspectives mussoliniennes

English translation:

grandiose vistas

Added to glossary by Anna Maria Augustine (X)
Aug 11, 2005 12:54
18 yrs ago
French term

perspectives mussoliniennes

French to English Marketing Textiles / Clothing / Fashion Haute Couture designer
I really don't know what to make of this term which seems very strange. Is it something to do with pre war dictator architecture?
Any help appreciated.


Le monde de xxx prend racine dans ses voyages. Dunes sahariennes, icebergs arctiques, perspectives mussoliniennes, gratte-ciel new-yorkais… Fasciné, il retranscrit ses visions dans ses créations et magnifie ainsi le monde en images idéales.
Change log

Aug 11, 2005 13:43: JCEC changed "Term asked" from "perspectives mussoliniennes: Sorry, URGENT again" to "perspectives mussoliniennes"

Nov 7, 2008 08:38: writeaway changed "Field" from "Art/Literary" to "Marketing"

Discussion

Corinne Bono Aug 12, 2005:
The head of the French throne being their most well-known client, did not seem to mind the reminder of when her ancestors had their heads chopped off. So if something so close to home can pass in fashion, why not a style that is only labelled as an era?
Corinne Bono Aug 12, 2005:
I don't really think fashion minds on the whole. In Paris an aristocrate creating dresses for the "best society", one year chose all about the French revolution feel/style. The press not forgetting to mention heads were turning when looking at the dresses
Non-ProZ.com Aug 11, 2005:
Thank you everyone for your help but I am quite horrified to learn of this link between fashion and dictators/extremists. Surely Italy would rather forget this part of its history...

Proposed translations

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grandiose vistas

Or something in that vein, perhaps. Someone is certain to improve on this.

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If you wish to retain Mussolini in there, an adjective that has not been mentioned is Mussoliniesque. -esque is a suffix often used in art, as in from arabesque to grotesque.
Steering clear of \'perspectives\', I would say \'Moussoliniesque architecture\'.
Web example: at a Mussoliniesque marble building of massive proportions

Another adjective that would give the same feeling is pharaonic.
Architecture of pharaonic proportions.
Reminds one of Ozymandias. But I\'m diverging. That would be taking you to a totally different continent and era.
Peer comment(s):

agree Advance Communication : grandiose vistas/perspectives in the Mussolin vein (?)
21 mins
Though perhaps in context it loses its ambiguity, I thought I'd steer clear of perspectives. As Mussolini also had other perspectives in mind.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "My sincere thanks to everyone's contributions. I do know that the ultimate goal was to destroy all sense of freedom and liberty for women. Dictators always do that."
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French term (edited): perspectives mussoliniennes: Sorry, URGENT again

Mussolini-style perspectives

The following links may help you find what you're looking for
laboiteaimages.hautetfort.com/architecture/ - 23k

Part of Mussolini's legacy to Italy is the style of architecture referred to here. Bombastic, exaggeratedly heroic, it mocks the humanity it purports to glorify. It is overpowering, cold and makes you think of the baby sacrificing scenes in biblical movies. Sometimes we build structures like this in our own minds..."
The image 'fascist architecture' came from Italy. It was stuff that was built during Mussolini's period that was a particular style where the buildings are really larger that life and what is supposed to celebrate the greatness of humanity actually dwarfs humanity. And it makes you fell tiny and helpless next to it.
cockburnproject.net/songs&music/fa.html - 6k

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laboiteaimages.hautetfort.com/architecture/ - 23k
cockburnproject.net/songs&music/fa.html
Peer comment(s):

agree Jennifer White : so perhaps Italian fascist architecture? I think it needs something concrete here to tie in with dunes, icebergs, skyscrapers etc.
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It's possible. On the other hand, perspectives is a word commonly used in architecture and is also ambiguous enough to cover other possibilities
agree Jane Lamb-Ru (X)
41 mins
thanks Jane
agree RHELLER
2 hrs
thanks Rita
agree emiledgar : or Italian fascist architecture/perspectives; stylistically, "Mussolini-style" is weak...
2 hrs
agree sporran
11 hrs
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Mussolini-style architecture

Why not use Jim Carroll's description of the Lincoln center in NYC? This solves the problem of using perspectives (which- as was mentioned- is not as concrete as the other descriptors used in the sentence)
Peer comment(s):

agree RHELLER : nice
1 hr
Thanks Rita
agree lokilo
11 hrs
Thanks
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mussolini line of fashion or see after

I've seen this one before, it's all about the vision of femininity decided upon by Mussolini. A bit too much frills perhaps ;-)
I find it ironic to put it beside "gratte-ciel new-yorkais", as Mussolini style fashion was more on the horizontal and buxom and a skyscraper would suggest thin women, close-fitting, "épuré" dresses. A Laurel and Hardy of fashion?

I'd say you can choose to either drop the Mussolini part and go for bombastic or something, or else simply say Mussolini lines of fashion?

Here is a link and an excerpt about the style involved.
Good luck with your work Anna Maria!





The Fascists took up the fashion industry cause as part of their agenda of managing cultural expressions of nation, class and gender in the construction of a New Italy and New Italians. They sought to tie the ruling order to the timeless values of antiquity and the land. The first was embodied in the Golden Age of the Italian Renaissance, the second in the provincial domain of the peasant. The Ideal Woman of Fascism rejected the gender-bending ways of la maschietta (the tomboy), the Italian version of the Roaring '20s flapper. Instead, the New Italian Woman would be the model of femininity as represented by the body-emphasizing cuts of knitted sportswear, and she would accept her place in the patriarchal family, bound up in the hand-tatted lace and embroidered aprons of traditional matronly attire. In 1939, Mussolini himself organized "The Great Parade of the Female Forces," a spectacle of feminine Fascist solidarity that was filmed and then screened around the nation as an Italian version of Leni Reifenstahl's 1934 documentary on Hitler, Triumph of the Will.





My favorite "power meeting" outfit was a Valentino Uomo three-button suit tailored in lustrous black end-on-end-woven silk and wool fabric, which I wore with a charcoal gray shirt and tone-on-tone silver tie, Il Duce style. Mussolini's attempt to use fashion as an ideological and economic weapon is the subject of Eugenia Paulicelli's Fashion under Fascism: Beyond the Black Shirt. In this first-ever study of its kind in English, Paulicelli traces the origins of the modern Italian fashion industry in the ideals of the nation's unification movement and their subsequent cooptation by the Fascist Party in the years leading up to the Second World War.

The role of the Garibaldi of Italian fashion was played by Rosa Genoni. Through her writings and classes, she taught in Milan on fashion theory and history during the first quarter of the 20th century. Genoni proselytized on the need for Italian designers and consumers to declare independence from the domination of French couturiers. The unofficial house organ of the movement to develop a specifically Italian sense of fashion was the magazine Lidel, founded in 1919 with the goal of propagating the ideals of Italian identity and nationhood.

The Fascists took up the fashion industry cause as part of their agenda of managing cultural expressions of nation, class and gender in the construction of a New Italy and New Italians. They sought to tie the ruling order to the timeless values of antiquity and the land. The first was embodied in the Golden Age of the Italian Renaissance, the second in the provincial domain of the peasant. The Ideal Woman of Fascism rejected the gender-bending ways of la maschietta (the tomboy), the Italian version of the Roaring '20s flapper. Instead, the New Italian Woman would be the model of femininity as represented by the body-emphasizing cuts of knitted sportswear, and she would accept her place in the patriarchal family, bound up in the hand-tatted lace and embroidered aprons of traditional matronly attire. In 1939, Mussolini himself organized "The Great Parade of the Female Forces," a spectacle of feminine Fascist solidarity that was filmed and then screened around the nation as an Italian version of Leni Reifenstahl's 1934 documentary on Hitler, Triumph of the Will.

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Mussolinian perspectives

'I am quite horrified to learn of this link between fashion and dictators/extremists'

I think the author just refers to what he's seen on his travels, and it is true that (whether one likes it or not!) 'Mussolinian style' is striking in its own way (well, that's if you like megalomaniac architecture ;-)
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