Non-ProZ.com May 14, 2005:

Thank you Ruth "Translation IS emantics.com", well, not very modest, but almost true! :-) J-M

Balasubramaniam L. May 14, 2005:

I looked up the logo. I read it as "matics.com", a thing that most people would do, so your play on the word semantics-emantics would be completely lost on most people. But then, mantics itself has some interesting meanings that you might want to consider

sarahl (X) May 13, 2005:

tu peux transposer ton id�e en fran�ais en e-sense, peut-�tre ?

Nick Lingris May 13, 2005:

Yes, I forgot to mention that in my message (not having seen your logo at that time). I was actually trying to warn you off em-antics (look 'antics' up now).

Non-ProZ.com May 13, 2005:

What a surprise ! Sorry about this new note, but I was wondering if there was a difference between "emantics" and "e-mantics", so I tried to search for mantics in the Oxford dictionnary, and I was quite astonished to find "mantic : adj. formal of or concerning divination or prophecy (from greek "mantikos")." I dind't knew that! J-M

Non-ProZ.com May 13, 2005:

To Rita You wrote "The English section of your website needs work :-)", that's true, I know it. As you can easily understand, I wrote it myself, with the same english sound as for my slogan, but all the content of my website is almost 60,000 words, so it's about 20,000 for each language, and I couldn't afford such a big translation !
But someone told me very kindly she is available to help me (merci 1000 fois N...), and I'm just waiting to "reorganize" my web presence for doing the "work" you're talking about.
Many thanks to all for your participation and your answers, but I really don't know what I'm going to choose !
If somebody is quite curious to see the logo, you can find it here : http://www.studio92.net/emantics5.gif
Any advice ?
Thanks again,
Jean-Marie

Non-ProZ.com May 13, 2005:

Philip When I started to think about a slogan for emantics.com, I tried to do it directly in english, with the result you've seen ;-).
From the beginning, my "accroche" in french was "Le sens de votre pr�sence sur le Web", and I tried to come up with something like "when words and content make sense", where translation (my business is always translation from english and italian into french) conveys an idea of meaningful and significance to the someone's presence on the Web. I tried to explain it here : http://studio92.net/index.html#French Content & Language Con...
Jean-Marie

Philip Taylor May 13, 2005:

Hi Jean-Marie. Yes, you're right, sometimes slogans can appear a bit stilted when they've been translated from another language, but giving a French slogan might be a good way of getting more English-language ideas to at least use as a new starting point.

Non-ProZ.com May 13, 2005:

Philip About your comment (Good suggestion about perhaps coming up with a slogan in French, then asking Proz answerers for a translation. From past experience there should be plenty of response), I don't think it would be a good thing to think of a french slogan first and then translate it in english. I believe this slogan must rise in english. J-M

Non-ProZ.com May 13, 2005:

About the "e" of Emantics It'll be the same "e" than the "@" for the "a", I can't reproduce it with my keyboard, but I know there is a special font for writing this way all letters of the alphabet. J-M

Balasubramaniam L. May 13, 2005:

Since all the action seems to be here, I am pitching in with my penny's worth: Be Empowered by Emantics. I also second Armorel suggestion of E-mantics in place of Emantics.

Armorel Young May 13, 2005:

I think David (above) is on the right track - but I'd strongly recommend a capital E for Emantics so that we are clear that this is a business name or even E-mantics to make the web connection clear.

David Sirett May 13, 2005:

How about something like "Let emantics spin your web" or "Spinning the web with emantics"?

David Sirett May 13, 2005:

I think part of the problem is that, while the "web's emantics"/"web semantics" play might just about work when spoken, it doesn't work when written. If the reader doesn't think "ah, Semantics, that's clever" immediately, then the slogan is not effective.

sarahl (X) May 13, 2005:

antics, au sens de faire l'int�ressant (demande � ton fils, il t'expliquera)

Non-ProZ.com May 13, 2005:

Sarah "human antics", in my case, it should be better to say "Rome antics"... :-) J-M

Non-ProZ.com May 13, 2005:

What about... Web semantics, or Web's emantics?

Web's emantics? - What do you mean: Web semantics?

etc.

sarahl (X) May 13, 2005:

human antics then? :-)

Non-ProZ.com May 13, 2005:

Sarah J'aimerais bien ! Si c'�tait en fran�ais, j'aurais moins de probl�mes... Je suis parti sur "web's emantics" parce qu'� mon avis c'�tait le lien entre "web semantics" et le nom que j'avais choisi.
Quand David me dit "�a peut porter � confusion", pourquoi pas si �a fait r�fl�chir. Par contre si Philip me dit "c'est franchement ridicule" (et je n'ai aucune raison de douter de son opinion), alors l� je dis stop, on efface tout et on recommence.

Apricitas, when you say "What the heck are the Web's emantics?", my main idea is this one:
Today "semantic web" and "web semantics" are buzz words you can find everywhere on the Web, and it's roughly supposed to mean a "machine language" for which IT systems will be able to communicate without any human intervention.
So on the other side I wonder what's should be the meaning of "my presence" on the Web, I mean as a human and not as a machine.
My two cents,
Jean-Marie

sarahl (X) May 13, 2005:

how about something short, sharp, percutant?

Non-ProZ.com May 13, 2005:

Hi Philip You say : "I have to say in all honesty that your slogan sounds meaningless and ridculous to my ear".
Right, I believe you and I'm not able to argue nor I want to defend it.
The first part of the slogan I found was "web's emantics", and mine was clearly an attempt to play with "web semantics".
So if this one is ridiculous, could you tell me something with "web's emantics" which wouldn't be ridiculous?
What about "for a human web's emantics" or something else ?
Thank you very much.
Jean-Marie

sarahl (X) May 13, 2005:

it does sound a little bit pedantic, I thought the word existed and I didn't know it! sounds philosophical, out of reach for us hoi polloi.

Philip Taylor May 13, 2005:

In case its unclear - emantics.com sounds fine, it's the slogan that sounds odd to me, and to the others as well I think.

Philip Taylor May 13, 2005:

I agree with David's comments. As an English native speaker, and one who is actually quite fond of grand, even slightly pretentious, use of language, I have to say in all honesty that your slogan sounds meaningless and ridculous to my ear.

Non-ProZ.com May 13, 2005:

My answer to David and Armorel Thanks for your comments. Both of you wonder about "meaning" of this "slogan", and beside the slogan about the meaning of "emantics".
It doesn't mean nothing. It's quite clear. But that's not really the problem. What Amazon does mean? And Ebay? and even Pro_Z?
Is there any connexion or relationship between Amazon and books, Ebay and auctions, Pro_Z and translation? None, nothing at all "outside" the Web!
Now, as Leticia has very smartly pointed out, "finding a good name is always tough". And I wanted something new, something which didn't exist before the Net and something which wouldn't exist without the Net, and something connected with semantics, something rightly concerned with "meaning".
Now do you think "semantics dot com" was available ?
That's the only reason why I choose "emantics" and the word is really supposed to mean nothing but only express some connection with Web semantics, semantic Web, and so on.
Maybe, as stated by David, it's just confusing, but I don't mind too much about that. Internet is full of thousand and thousand of brands and domain names which mean absolutely nothing from a linguistic point of view, but they're working quite well. So...
Jean-Marie

David Sirett May 13, 2005:

A slogan should "mean" something, communicate a message, immediately. My response to your slogan is "What the ...?". At first I think "emantics" isn't a word, then, much later (too late), I figure out maybe it's a play on "semantics". It's just confusing.