Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
una mujer de tertulia
English translation:
(a wonderful) conversationalist
Spanish term
una mujer de tertulia
(GASCA) Todo fue un montaje que hice con una gran amiga, Laura Betti, mito y musa de Bellochio a Bertolucci, de Pasolini, de Fellini... Era una mujer de tertulia soberbia. Entonces las películas, muchas llegaron desde Italia en burro o en mula, no se en qué, por la frontera. Pasaron por Gaintxurizketa.
I am not sure whether they are saying that she had the gift of the gab, that she was chatty, a socialite, or something else.
All opinions welcome on this one.
UK Eng.
Thanks in advance.
4 +6 | (a wonderful) conversationalist |
Charles Davis
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4 +6 | Socialite |
SilviaInt
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4 +1 | a great ranconteur |
Amy Moreno
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3 | huge sociocultural esteem |
James A. Walsh
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3 -1 | socialite and siren |
Marian Vieyra
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tertulia |
Denise DeVries
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Feb 18, 2011 12:51: Yana Dovgopol changed "Term Context" from "From a documentary on the history of the San Sebastián International Film Festival. The people involved in the festival are discussing the 1977 edition. ¿Y cómo llegaron estas películas al festival si estaban prohibidas? (GASCA) Todo fue un montaje que hice con una gran amiga, Laura Betti, mito y musa de Bellochio a Bertolucci, de Pasolini, de Fellini... Era una mujer de tertulia soberbia. Entonces las películas, muchas llegaron desde Italia en burro o en mula, no se en qué, por la frontera. Pasaron por Gaintxurizketa. I am not sure whether they are saying that she had the gift of the gab, that she was chatty, a socialite, or something else. All opinions welcome on this one. UK Eng. Thanks in advance." to "¿Y cómo llegaron estas películas al festival si estaban prohibidas? (GASCA) Todo fue un montaje que hice con una gran amiga, Laura Betti, mito y musa de Bellochio a Bertolucci, de Pasolini, de Fellini... Era una mujer de tertulia soberbia. Entonces las películas, muchas llegaron desde Italia en burro o en mula, no se en qué, por la frontera. Pasaron por Gaintxurizketa. I am not sure whether they are saying that she had the gift of the gab, that she was chatty, a socialite, or something else. All opinions welcome on this one. UK Eng. Thanks in advance."
Proposed translations
(a wonderful) conversationalist
I don't think it means a socialite. A socialite is a person who is prominent in fashionable society, who spends much of his/her term going to smart parties and providing copy for gossip columnists: someone like Paris Hilton.
But a "mujer de tertulia" means a woman who excels at conversation, who is in her element in tertulias, which, before the word degenerated into meaning a vapid chat show, meant a cultured, quite often learned, albeit informal, gathering, often held in a café, where the object was to talk about something, not just idle chat but real conversation, developing and exchanging ideas. I think "mujer de tertulia" and "hombre de tertulia" imply first and foremost skill in the art of conversation. Not just chatty or glib, but actually having something to say. And in company: tertulias are essentially collective. So "great company" would be along the right lines.
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Note added at 50 mins (2011-02-17 15:17:14 GMT)
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"Es un hombre de tertulia, amigo de sus amigos, gran conversador de lo humano y lo divino."
http://www.estadio.latinowebs.com/photo2_1.html
"Pessoa es ya un hombre de tertulia, un hombre que discute, que ironiza"
http://www.losandes.com.pe/Cultural/20100808/39414.html
"Mercedes, con un carácter y personalidad tan independiente, con la cultura como posesión más valiosa, tenía las ideas tan claras y una ética tan inquebrantable como su mala leche ante lo absurdo y banal. Mujer de tertulia y debate"
http://oriolserra.blogspot.com/2010_04_01_archive.html
Totally agree. That's great Charles - thanks. :) |
Socialite
agree |
Anthony Mazzorana (X)
2 mins
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Thanks Anthony
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agree |
philgoddard
: www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=tertulia
9 mins
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Thanks, Phil
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agree |
Evans (X)
31 mins
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Thanks, Gilla
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agree |
Catherine Gilsenan
1 hr
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Thanks, Catherine
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agree |
Muriel Vasconcellos
: Lowercase "s". A definition would have helped. I had to check it out because I thought it implied wealth and position in society, but the main meaning seems to be that the person gets around--entertains and is entertained.
3 hrs
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Thanks Muriel for your comments. Yes, that is the meaning that I have always used in the UK
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Yvonne Gallagher
: this is 1977, pre vapid "celebrities" like Paris Hilton et al, so works
9 hrs
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thanks, yes, I agree, it fits in the period
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socialite and siren
disagree |
philgoddard
: This may be what the Independent says, but the Spanish doesn't say she was dangerously seductive. And I think it's clear from the context that socialite doesn't have negative connotations here.
5 mins
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I merely thought the Spanish could be expanded given what is known about her. I didn't add dangerous or seductive. Siren is positive.
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huge sociocultural esteem
Perhaps this might work?
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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-02-17 16:37:57 GMT)
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Or even 'influence' instead of 'esteem'.
Era una <u>mujer de tertulia soberbia</u>
She was a <u>woman of/with huge sociocultural esteem</u>
a great ranconteur
neutral |
Jennifer Levey
: I guess she might herself have been happier with 'raconteuse'.
2 hrs
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I thought "raconteur" was like "actor" and could apply to both men and women. It seems like I was wrong! In that case, yes, "raconteuse" would be more appropriate.
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agree |
Maria Romero
: A
7 hrs
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Gracias Maria McMahon
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