Aug 26, 2000 21:39
24 yrs ago
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Julie
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
English to French
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familiar phrase.
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Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose
That's it.. pure and simple. Sometimes shortened to 'Plus ca change...' with a grin and a raise of the eyebrow. You can find it used to great effect in Jean Anouilh's excellently funny play 'The Rehearsal'
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Comment: "Many thanks, and I apologize for my tardy response!
Julie"
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Bruno Magne
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Plus ça change, et plus c'est la même chose
Bonjour, Julie
Cette phrase a connu son heure de gloire dans les années 70-80. Si ma mémoire ne me trompe pas, ça avait quelque chose à voir avec Giscard d'Estaing ou François Mitterand.
Amicalement
Bruno Magne
Cette phrase a connu son heure de gloire dans les années 70-80. Si ma mémoire ne me trompe pas, ça avait quelque chose à voir avec Giscard d'Estaing ou François Mitterand.
Amicalement
Bruno Magne
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Plus ça change, et plus c'est la même chose.
It is a saying that renders the same idea. Do not let anyone try to force you into using a word-for-word translation!
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Plus ça change, plus c'est pareil
Maybe that is because I am French Canadian, but this is the way we always said it. It could be different in France, I suppose...
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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Plus ça change, plus c'est la meme chose
I was interested to see that other answers has "et" in the middle as I had not heard the saying put like that before. Nor had I heard the Canadian version.
For info, web searches showed up a fair number of lists of French sayings. Here is just one :
www.lodace.com/index1.htm
Curiosity getting the better of me, I looked into the Canadian version and found "... plus c'est pareil" on the following site :
www.ql.umontreal.ca/qlv5n13/03.html
The saying seems to be much-used by journalists in headings for articles, particularly in the political domain (I wonder why?!). In one list, the descritpion under the article heading explained how students in a certain part of Asia were no longer able to preprare the bark they need to do their calculations on. Further on, an article under the same heading was about Canadian Medical Officers in the Second World War and in Bosnia.
For info, web searches showed up a fair number of lists of French sayings. Here is just one :
www.lodace.com/index1.htm
Curiosity getting the better of me, I looked into the Canadian version and found "... plus c'est pareil" on the following site :
www.ql.umontreal.ca/qlv5n13/03.html
The saying seems to be much-used by journalists in headings for articles, particularly in the political domain (I wonder why?!). In one list, the descritpion under the article heading explained how students in a certain part of Asia were no longer able to preprare the bark they need to do their calculations on. Further on, an article under the same heading was about Canadian Medical Officers in the Second World War and in Bosnia.
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Bruno Magne
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Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Hi, Julie
In my first answer, I used "et", because that's the familiar way.
According to the Grand Robert, the "correct way" would be the one above.
I wonder why "moel" made his comment about not "letting anyone force you to translate..." All answers are correct and were given out of the pleasure to help a fellow translator.
The fact that Canadians prefer "pareil" is just one more proof that the French language is alive and diverse. I reckon that French-speaking Africans must have a colorful expression of their own. does not mean
In my first answer, I used "et", because that's the familiar way.
According to the Grand Robert, the "correct way" would be the one above.
I wonder why "moel" made his comment about not "letting anyone force you to translate..." All answers are correct and were given out of the pleasure to help a fellow translator.
The fact that Canadians prefer "pareil" is just one more proof that the French language is alive and diverse. I reckon that French-speaking Africans must have a colorful expression of their own. does not mean
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Bruno Magne
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Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Hi, Julie
In my first answer, I used "et", because that's the familiar way.
According to the Grand Robert, the "correct way" would be the one above.
I wonder why "moel" made his comment about not "letting anyone force you to translate..." All answers are correct and were given out of the pleasure to help a fellow translator.
The fact that Canadians prefer "pareil" is just one more proof that the French language is alive and diverse. I reckon that French-speaking Africans must have a colorful expression of their own. does not mean
In my first answer, I used "et", because that's the familiar way.
According to the Grand Robert, the "correct way" would be the one above.
I wonder why "moel" made his comment about not "letting anyone force you to translate..." All answers are correct and were given out of the pleasure to help a fellow translator.
The fact that Canadians prefer "pareil" is just one more proof that the French language is alive and diverse. I reckon that French-speaking Africans must have a colorful expression of their own. does not mean
2 days 5 hrs
Plus ça change, moins ça change.
Bearing in mind that the inherent mission of a translator is to transfer ideas and not words from a code to another, I thought that this version was quite faithful in spirit to the original even if the syntax is rather different but after all, that's the burden of translation: equivalence in difference.
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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one last message on this one...
This expression is so familiar, so French, that I, who grew up (in England) often heard this one in French. It was often quoted around me, (parents, friends, teachers) ... in French. The French coined this phrase and we English adopted it, lock, stock and barrel, very often saying the first part alone, "plus ça change...", as indicated by a previous answerer. But perhaps we should not refuse to translate it - particularly as the original version is French!
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